Silicon Valley Regional 2008

[mark johnson]

DEFENSE IS A PART OF THIS GAME!!!!! Going into this match I didnt give you guys even a slight chance . But was I ever wrong,your team changed its game plan after the first match and shut down the POOFS, that won you that match.The plan worked again , but I didnt understand that final call on the bonus ball. Your alliance (2024 ,192,8) lost the in the finals but you still should feel like champions for your fine preformance!!!!!!! Congrats to (100,254 115)for winning the regional,you cant take it away from you because of a bad call so enjoy the victory!!Remember the refs are human just like the rest of us,hopefully we all will learn from this. On a previous post by XAULZAN11 said in the Currie finals that (1732.67,48) had beaten (330 910 1523) in the second match . It wasnt 1523 it was 1270 who in turn got DQed on Einstien for tipping Beatty 71 while battling for the same ring ,another bad call but we had to accept it and move on to next match. GOOD LUCK to all of you the rest of the year.

[pakratt1991]

well unfortunately I was working on my own projects and while I watched most of the matches yesterday I missed the finals today =[ From what I hear it was a GREAT SHOW! Having been screwed by the refs before in competition I know how it feels. While I have much respect for 254 and 100, from what I hear the large trophies should have gone the other way. but I CAN'T WAIT FOR THESE TO BE ON THE BLUE ALLIANCE! HURRY!!! !

[bduddy]

Originally Posted by mark johnson

DEFENSE IS A PART OF THIS GAME!!!!! Going into this match I didnt give you guys even a slight chance . But was I ever wrong,your team changed its game plan after the first match and shut down the POOFS, that won you that match.The plan worked again , but I didnt understand that final call on the bonus ball. Your alliance (2024 ,192,8) lost the in the finals but you still should feel like champions for your fine preformance!!!!!!! Congrats to (100,254 115)for winning the regional,you cant take it away from you because of a bad call so enjoy the victory!!Remember the refs are human just like the rest of us,hopefully we all will learn from this. On a previous post by XAULZAN11 said in the Currie finals that (1732.67,48) had beaten (330 910 1523) in the second match . It wasnt 1523 it was 1270 who in turn got DQed on Einstien for tipping Beatty 71 while battling for the same ring ,another bad call but we had to accept it and move on to next match. GOOD LUCK to all of you the rest of the year.

Indeed. 8's defense was brilliant, and nearly won them the fourth match. Of course, it helps that the refs were not calling impeding at all, but this is taking nothing away from 8-for one, that rule would not have affected them most of the time, and recognizing the conditions is always a key part of any sport. In match 4, both red balls were in the same place (one flat, which was not replaced for a rather long time), and 8 just waited behind them, which almost worked. Congrats, and congrats to everyone else as well! Even though my team didn't do so well, the matches made it fun for everyone.

[David Brinza]

Originally Posted by bduddy

Indeed. 8's defense was brilliant, and nearly won them the fourth match. Of course, it helps that the refs were not calling impeding at all, but this is taking nothing away from 8-for one, that rule would not have affected them most of the time, and recognizing the conditions is always a key part of any sport. In match 4, both red balls were in the same place (one flat, which was not replaced for a rather long time), and 8 just waited behind them, which almost worked. Congrats, and congrats to everyone else as well! Even though my team didn't do so well, the matches made it fun for everyone.

To be clear, impeding has a specific meaning and only refers to robot traffic around the track. If Team 8 denies the Red alliance access to their Trackball, they're not necessarily guilty of impeding per <G40>. The occasions where their robot maneuvered in front of an opposing robot is risky and creates judgment calls for the ref's (regarding passing lanes, etc.). Just note that the definition of IMPEDING makes no mention of Trackballs:

IMPEDING: Preventing or obstructing an opposing ROBOT’S ability to proceed around the TRACK in the direction of traffic.

No team should assume that they have the right of unabated access to their Trackballs during a match. Some teams exercise strategies and tactics that make it very difficult for their opponents to gain control of their own Trackballs. I thought Team 8 did that effectively in those matches. In my opinion, their play was legal defense - pure and simple.

[bduddy]

Originally Posted by David Brinza

To be clear, impeding has a specific meaning and only refers to robot traffic around the track. If Team 8 denies the Red alliance access to their Trackball, they're not necessarily guilty of impeding per <G40>. The occasions where their robot maneuvered in front of an opposing robot is risky and creates judgment calls for the ref's (regarding passing lanes, etc.). Just note that the definition of IMPEDING makes no mention of Trackballs:

IMPEDING: Preventing or obstructing an opposing ROBOT’S ability to proceed around the TRACK in the direction of traffic.

No team should assume that they have the right of unabated access to their Trackballs during a match. Some teams exercise strategies and tactics that make it very difficult for their opponents to gain control of their own Trackballs. I thought Team 8 did that effectively in those matches. In my opinion, their play was legal defense - pure and simple.

I don't disagree with you, but some of 8's other moves should have, in my opinion, at least warranted a count, but they were few and far between here. Again, the refs seemed to be going more for consistency than a literal interpretation of the rules.

[Danny McC]

Blue got cheated. That's all.