**FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #2

[T3_1565]

has anyone, tried go further out than Manchester and see anything important out there??? (at 342.... degrees)

[Madison]

Can someone point out again from where you've all decided these coordinates land on a lamp post?

Google Maps suggests there's something there, but upon viewing pictures of the area on Flickr and other aerial photography from local.live.com, I think what we're seeing are some unfortunate people that don't even realize the amount of time and effort people are spending trying to figure out what they have in common with a FIRST game.

[njamietech]

Here are some 3D renderings of the square to help some of you out.

The two points are just a measure of the third value in feet from the coordinates

[Chief Samwize]

Originally Posted by maltz1881

After thinking about it for a night here is my guess. We will need to stack boxes on a counterscale. Some of the boxes will contain a weight of some type and the infra red will be hooked to that weight and we will need to find those few boxes to win. Probably wrong but that would be the FIRST time this year !!!!!

Going back to the unofficial clue that was given to us earlier about the stock market, jello, K'nex blocks, and gerbils.

Stockmarket - Rises and falls
Jello - Comes in a box
Gerbils - Live in a cage shaped like a box
K'nex BLOCKS

Then adding the theroy of the counterballance from this clue, a game about stacking blocks on a counterballanced centerpiece that could tip would connect these two clues. The only part I now longer understand where it would come into play would be the IR sensor. Maybe it would be used to control something such as counterballance control that has to be controlled by the human player.

Of cource I could have these clues completely out of wack and my game may not even relate to the actual game released soon but I feel after reading 26 pages of posts that I should post something .

-Sam

[Joe G.]

Originally Posted by angelSAY

When the three numbers are added together you get 313.515859. If rounded it looks like 314. Also if the 1585 part is rounded this gives you 159. Well this looks an awful lot like pi, 3.14159... Circles or arcs anyone? THe only difference between 313.515859 and pi is that 313.515859 is a hundred times bigger. Maybe 100 balls?

Or it could mean almost a circle. More evidence for footballs

[jerry w]

please
it has been 24 hours.
has no one in that area got a gps unit?
google is not accurate within about 50 feet.
i would like to know what is on the ground at the suspected coordinates.

please, will someone go make the measurement?

jerry w

[pafwl]

One of our mentors and his son, who is a member of our, team came up with this...
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Me and my dad did a little research and this is what we did and how we
came up with it.

1. I ran the 1st 2 numbers as latitude and longitude in Google Earth,
and it zoomed in directly on the statue of John Singleton Copley in
Copley Square in Boston.

2. We put the third number into Excel and changed the format into a
date. It gave us December 7, 1900, which on that date, according to
Wikipedia, said that "Max Planck, in his house at Grunewald, on the
outskirts of Berlin, discovers the law of black body emission." A black
body is "an object that absorbs all electromagnetic radiation that
falls onto it." This goes right along with the first clue & absorbing
infrared material.

[JoeXIII'007]

Originally Posted by pafwl

One of our mentors and his son, who is a member of our team came up with this...
================================================== ===
Me and my dad did a little research and this is what we did and how we
came up with it.

1. I ran the 1st 2 numbers as latitude and longitude in Google Earth,
and it zoomed in directly on the statue of John Singleton Copley in
Copley Square in Boston.

2. We put the third number into Excel and changed the format into a
date. It gave us December 7, 1900, which on that date, according to
Wikipedia, said that "Max Planck, in his house at Grunewald, on the
outskirts of Berlin, discovers the law of black body emission." A black
body is "an object that absorbs all electromagnetic radiation that
falls onto it." This goes right along with the first clue & absorbing
infrared material.

#2 is FANTASTIC!!! for it also gives some meaning (in this case) to those two great big buildings south of the square that spell out EI. Question is what EXACT meaning can we draw from that???

That said, with a black body being an electromagnetic 'black hole' (practically, not technically, just relatively speaking), I might be curious about what other voids we would be filling in this game.

-Joe

PS: Curious question to the people with even closer ties to FIRST on here: do you guys or do you know of any FIRST admin that ever prints out these extremely long threads with ideas to what the year's game hint leads to and post them on some wall (or at least the 'good/funny/completely off-base' ideas) and then come back to them every once in a while just to have a good laugh??? I can only imagine... I hope you guys are enjoying yourselves after 370 something posts... and I think we have yet to see the person stand at the said GPS location (I'm assuming that picture (proving the feat) will land itself a nice place on the wall as well). *shrugs* That all said, wOOt! for extreme FIRST dedication.

[DonRotolo]

Originally Posted by JaneYoung

Edit: Weird, I just posted after Dave. *sigh*

I might opine that anything "after Dave" is less weird than before.

Originally Posted by cicib99

-also MIT was first founded in the corner of copely square

Now that is interesting. Relevant, dunno, but interesting that MIT has such a tie to Copley Square.

Originally Posted by Cory

I'm fairly certain NASA has got more important things to do with a few month's time than come up with game hints for FRC

I agree, but certain people who work for NASA, on the other hand.... (you know who you are!)

You know, this is almost as much fun as the build season!

Don

[Mr. Van]

Ok, I'll admit that I've not read the entire 26 pages of posts, so please forgive me if this is in there somewhere.

One of the major buildings on Copley Square is the Hancock Tower. This is actually the new Hancock building - there is an "old Hancock Tower" nearby. This older building, as known to Bostonians all over the world, has a beacon or light on it which changes color between red and blue depending on the weather forcast or how the Red Sox are doing.

Now we all have these IR thingys...

So, here is my guess about part of the game: There wil be a large IR emitter in the center of the field that will signal robots that some part of the game is active (like scoring in a goal). There will be a visual signal (a red or blue light) for drivers, but relying on it will put you at a disadvantage.

Oh yeah - It most likely will be difficult for teams to build and test and will be a great pain for the field crew in the first set of regionals... But hopefully not.

-Mr. Van

[Elgin Clock]

Originally Posted by Mr. Van

Ok, I'll admit that I've not read the entire 26 pages of posts, so please forgive me if this is in there somewhere.

One of the major buildings on Copley Square is the Hancock Tower. This is actually the new Hancock building - there is an "old Hancock Tower" nearby. This older building, as known to Bostonians all over the world, has a beacon or light on it which changes color between red and blue depending on the weather forcast or how the Red Sox are doing.

The old John Hancock Building in Boston is topped by a weather beacon with red and blue lights, which use a code to present the local weather forecast, using a popular rhyme as a mnemonic:

Steady blue, clear view.
Flashing blue, clouds due.
Steady red, rain ahead.
Flashing red, snow instead.

During baseball season, flashing red means the Boston Red Sox game has been called off on account of weather.

Found here: http://www.dslreports.com/faq/boston/all

I saw that too, but idk. Sounds cool though.

[PhilBot]

Hmmm... Signal Lights... That got me thinking...

Another famous signal that happened in the vicinity of Boston (and the Clue location) was Paul Revere's famous "One if by land, and two if by sea;"

Both: Paul Revere's house, AND the Old North Church (where the signalling occured) are within 2 miles of the clue Lat/Long. None are a bearing or distance of 342... but maybe that's the direction that the signal was made to....

This idea is consistant with the IR Clue board.
It can distinguish between 4 different IR visual signals (codes)

What if the field transmits a different IR code to all the robots based on where something is coming from, or going to?

eg: 1 if by North, 2 if by East, 3 if by South or 4 if by West.

If the field is square, this could be the side that has double points, or a penalty side (like Last years VEX game)

Phil.

[Bigflip2073]

While on the street view on google i noticed an amphibious vehicle being used for tours. i think the companies name was boston duck tours and there logo was by land and sea. and boston is also known for paul reveres ride. the thought of the lights in on IR controller being similair to paul reveres signal seems plausible too.


Just a though


ahaha and another one of my paranoid ideas


Infared radiation gets trapped by ozone which causes global warming. this causes the ice caps to melt flooding the planet.

maybe we have to build an amphibious robot where we use the IR to activate something that "floods" the field.

and then Al gore comes and makes boring speeches

[StephLee]

Originally Posted by PhilBot

Hmmm... Signal Lights... That got me thinking...

Another famous signal that happened in the vicinity of Boston (and the Clue location) was Paul Revere's famous "One if by land, and two if by sea;"

Why does that sound somewhat like...Truckin'?

"Sometimes the light's all shining on me, other times I can barely see..."

Or, other times I can barely SEA.

Hmm...

[Bsteckler]

Originally Posted by JoeXIII'007

That said, with a black body being an electromagnetic 'black hole' (practically, not technically, just relatively speaking), I might be curious about what other voids we would be filling in this game.

-Joe

Could this be in some relation to the IR chip that we got? People mentioned something about blind driving using the IR camra to navigate.