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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #3

First Corps of Cadets, which was founded in the Revolutionary War-era. Military units had nicknames before they were given numeric designations. The First Corps of Cadets was the military company for Boston during the American Revolution. Today, they are known as the 211 MP (Military Police) Battalion.

I found that after a google search. I also found out that a few days after 911, the First Corps of Cadets Veterens started a fundraiser. ther sold stickers that said "for support" on them for 2.00 each.
I dont know how this could fit in with the game though. The only thing I can think of is a different way of enforcing the rules during gameplay.
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Time for some more crazy speculation.

<speculation align="crazy">

Connections. That First Corps of Cadets building is right across the street from the Commonwealth Mall. There many statues along the length of the mall. Other than the Alexander Hamilton one near Arlington Street and the commons, all of the statues are made of bronze.

The statue that is generally in the same direction as the First Corps of Cadets (which according Team 384 aligns with hint #2) is of Samuel Eliot Morrison, which has a brown finish or patina. Bronze has a natural patina called verdigris that is that light green color that the Statue of Liberty retains and the statue on the next block of William Lloyd Garrison.

That natural patina or verdigris when a statue is near the sea will include cuprous chloride which has a tetrahedral chrystal structure.

The statue of Morrison instead has a light brown to dark brown patina, which according to this site is achievable with ferric nitrate, which has an octahedral coordination geometry. The creators of the statue hurdled the obstacle of the natural bronze patina of green to choose a different color.


Conclusion. Therefore, through loose connections in the hints (excluding #1), I propose that we will be dealing with octahedron game pieces.

As far as the first hint, I think there will be information provided to robots in autonomous that will either be color based or infrared based and it will be up to each team to decide what method to choose. As far as different colors go, I think hurdling the original green color to choose one of their own could suggest that FIRST is going past the monochromatic vision targets.
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #3

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Time for some more crazy speculation.

<speculation align="crazy">

Connections. That First Corps of Cadets building is right across the street from the Commonwealth Mall. There many statues along the length of the mall. Other than the Alexander Hamilton one near Arlington Street and the commons, all of the statues are made of bronze.

The statue that is generally in the same direction as the First Corps of Cadets (which according Team 384 aligns with hint #2) is of Samuel Eliot Morrison, which has a brown finish or patina. Bronze has a natural patina called verdigris that is that light green color that the Statue of Liberty retains and the statue on the next block of William Lloyd Garrison.

That natural patina or verdigris when a statue is near the sea will include cuprous chloride which has a tetrahedral chrystal structure.

The statue of Morrison instead has a light brown to dark brown patina, which according to this site is achievable with ferric nitrate, which has an octahedral coordination geometry. The creators of the statue hurdled the obstacle of the natural bronze patina of green to choose a different color.


Conclusion. Therefore, through loose connections in the hints (excluding #1), I propose that we will be dealing with octahedron game pieces.

As far as the first hint, I think there will be information provided to robots in autonomous that will either be color based or infrared based and it will be up to each team to decide what method to choose. As far as different colors go, I think hurdling the original green color to choose one of their own could suggest that FIRST is going past the monochromatic vision targets.
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I think that they might use different colors, good find
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #3

I believe that the game will consist of stacking up boxes, then stacking pyramids on top of those boxes to cap them. THe obelisques gave me the idea in copley square
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Alright everybody... i think team 384 might have a slight breakthrough in the game hints!!

if you go to this link you will notice that, using the coordinate idea, i have found this

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=l&hl=e...5&iwloc=B&om=1

if you look at business "B" it is called "FIRST Corps of Cadets Veterans" and is approximately 342 degrees in the direction of Copley Square!!!

if anyone can shed some light on my findings it would be appreciated by everyone.

Good Luck everybody from team 384!!
--this guess was found by Brad Wilson of team 384--
The biggest problem I see with this theory is its claim that this place is "approximately 342 degrees in the direction of Copley Square". To put it simply, this is factually incorrect - there's no way it's in that direction, from anywhere in the square! Sorry, guys!
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #3

Say Dave, isn't it past your bedtime? Big day tomorrow, and whatnot?

Anyhow, I may as well put in my annual "<12 hours before kickoff" game prediction.

And there's really only one thing all three clues have been telling us. The abnormally square piece of paper in the first game hint, the coordinates pointing us to a "globe cafe" in the second hint, tetras in the third clue: whatever you guys are doing will involve the first logo in some way. Whether or not you'll be manipulating cubes, tetrahedrons, & spheres all at once into a single goal for differing point values/multipliers (which BTW, has always figured into my "dream game" in some fashion), or whether it'll be some variety of stacking or putting different-shaped objects into other-shaped goals, somehow, my prediction is that something square-ish, something circle-ish, & something triangular will be involved. And all the clues link up too (Copely Square, and the FIRST Corps of Cadets Veterans [hurdling tetras] located in said square)! And since this is FIRST we're talking about, there's probably going to be a choice to make at the end between continuing what you're doing, or scoring secondary points. Say, what if the end game is another autonomous period where that IR receiver helps you perform your last point scoring maneuvers...

Finally since I can, I'll step into WATER GAME!!1! territory for just a second: what good is a globe without it being 70% water? I kid, of course.
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #3

Dave must have just finished the game animation, and decided to take a breather from animating
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #3

First, I should correct myself - Kick-off is today!

Then I just wanted to take my last shot at this. I took to heart Dave's somewhat lengthy (but worthwhile) discussion on the importance of knowing what precision you have, as well as what precision you need.

Revisiting the "where, exactly, is this spot?" question, I recalled that the first people who located the spot (on Google, I think) varied the input and got the same result. This means that has a significant (if undetermined) inaccuracy.

I figured where the spot should be independently, using topo map images, and had estimated that the answer might be good to about 30FT. The closest thing to that spot, BTW, is a statue of Philips Brooks (not Copely), which is along the north side of Trinity Church. Given the unknown accuracy of Google, I'm going with this spot now.

My first estimate was that the bearing headed toward the burger joints from there, but looking more carefully at it, it looks more like it's really across from a subway stop. If I still thought it was looking at the Burger King, I would confidently conclude that the clue meant "Stack Attack" (meaning that elements of that previous game would return this time).

All I can do is speculate that my errors are a bit worse than I thought, and that #2 really does just mean "Stack Attack" (plus a hint of better floating-point computing this time).

Hint #1 was probably just so we wouldn't freak out about this new equipment that seems complicated at first, but isn't really such a big deal after you sit down and look at it. They must really want to make sure we succeed at employing it.

#3 just seems to be another reference to aspects of previous games being revisited (with a new twist, I'm sure). So far we have a combo of Stack Attack (the Burger King campaign), Triple Play (the tetras), and Aim High (something airborne - "hurdling").

Sounds like fun!
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Dave's just having fun now. Only 3 days left and he still throws curveballs.
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This just made my winter xmas/vacation as a mentor great gift dave
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Does this mean im not getting my footballs?

I think im gonna cry...
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #3

I was starting to clean out my garage during the break. I got to all of the tetra peices and thought, 'I might as well keep these because FIRST might re-use them again.'

Now I see this and I am glad I did not recycle all of them.

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ha^ i have one in my attic...may need to pull it out
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Re: **FIRST EMAIL**/FRC Game Hint #3

Could be something like:

Hurdling implies to me that we are jumping or skipping a task. So if veteran teams were to skip triple play, the next game would have been Aim High. I don't have a clue as to what the vets have to do with anything but that was my interpretation. Or what was the 5th game. Skipping the 4th game would mean the 5th game would be next.

5th game was hexagon havoc. Vet hurdling FIRST tetra. The fourth game was ramp n roll. Vets hurdling ramp n roll. Veterans skipping ramp n roll. Veterans jumping over ramp n roll... jumping off of a ramp... any ideas? just some thoughts.

Hurdling could be worded as a redo. What if they are combining FIRST's first four games... That would be Maize Craze, Rug Race, Tower Power, and Ramp n Roll. I don't even know where to start with that one. I know nothing about any game before 01.
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