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Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
At the San Diego regional Friday morning drivers meeting, it was announced that there was a new rule that you could not posses a trackball and while possessing the ball, knock another ball off.
Was this announced at the other regionals? It doesn't look like there is another team update. |
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
Not in the rules, unless <G27> applies. The Updates are silent on the matter.
I'm going to explore <G27> a bit. Here it is: Quote:
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I'd say it sounds like an interpretation of <G27>. Admittedly it's a little stretched. The only question is whether or not the GDC would support it. |
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
I would be very interested in any additional info on this. We did this in St. Louis very successfully and received points for doing it .
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
When you say "new rule" it makes me think it would be in an update after week 1. I looked at the updates and there is nothing evenly closely related to it. I really have no idea where they got that rule from. You should question them on that.
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
This is another one of those rules that would be much easier to understand with some physical examples to view. my interpretation of G27 is that you cannot POSSESS a track ball and herd another - yet you can herd both at the same time. Possession of a track ball is carrying it in some way. There is no mention of knocking another ball down while carrying one. Of course, knocking the ball down during teleo. does not get you any points anyway so i'm not sure what the problem is. Also, you cannot carry the ball across the line and get points - so not sure if that applies either. In any case, I certainly have not heard any rule that sounds like what you are referring to.
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
I recall watching 217 knock down an opposing trackball while possessing their own. This was done en-route to a buzzer-beating hurdle. Clearly the play swung the match.
The play was very cool, and didn't violate any rule I know of. You can probably watch it online somewhere -- link anyone? [edit]It was the second match of the Finals. Red wins 78-70 on 217's descoring of a blue bonus ball (using their own ball), and subsequent last-second hurdle. Last edited by Richard Wallace : 07-03-2008 at 14:10. Reason: found link |
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
I'm with EricH here. This is a reasonable interpretation of <G27>. Intentionally pushing a TRACKBALL in a particular direction (i.e. off the overpass) clearly counts as HERDING.
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
It seems like there are more rule discrepancies between regionals this year than ever before. I thought referees were supposed to complete an online rules evaluation course.
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Edit: Another thing, isn't it a penalty for herding the opposing alliance's trackball, or is it just possessing? If it is a penalty then that would mean that knocking the ball off even if you aren't possessing one of your own wouldn't be allowed, which is clearly not the intention of the rules, knocking balls off at the end is sort of key. Last edited by Mike Harrison : 07-03-2008 at 14:44. |
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
I saw team 95 do this at BAE. They are a fairly effective shooter bot, but can't knock the ball off the overpass unless they have a ball already. They would drive under the overpass with a ball, and shoot their ball straight up into the other ball. They could even catch the ball on the rebound too.
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
Possession of an opponent's trackball would be a penalty, herding a opponent's trackball would not. See rule <G29>.
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
I really need to see this.
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Re: Knocking off a ball while possesing a ball
At approximately 2 pm, the head referee announced that there was a miscommunication between himself and FIRST and that you are allowed to knock off a ball while possessing another.
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