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View Poll Results: Are bumpers helping or hurting FRC? / Do you want to see them next year?
They are helping FRC 114 64.77%
They are hurting FRC 17 9.66%
I don't know if they are helping or hurting FRC 14 7.95%
I want to see them next year 61 34.66%
I don't want to see them next year 32 18.18%
I am neutral about next year 33 18.75%
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Unread 18-03-2008, 22:55
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You ask if mandatory bumpers are helping or hurting, but don't really define what we are talking about helping or hurting. You then trot out a lot of different points that, viewed independently, could be seen as positives or negatives.

Lewis Carroll illustrated this well.
Alice: Which way should I go?
Cat: That depends on where you are going.
Alice: I don't know where I am going.
Cat: Then it doesn't matter which way you go!

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Uh. Dude, your own quote of Katy's OP showed exactly what she meant by helping or hurting... I quote, here's what she meant:
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bumpers are improving design and gameplay, increasing the spectator enjoyment of the game, preventing damage to robots or field components, preventing intentional tipping, making running a regional easier, or contributing to the events in another way I have not thought of.
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Uh. Dude, your own quote of Katy's OP showed exactly what she meant by helping or hurting... I quote, here's what she meant:
I mean, some of those are good some are bad. What are the goals of bumpers.

Other than a good 8 hours of sleep on Sunday, I haven't slept properly since last Tuesday night before the Pitt regional. I suspect I'm a little loco right now and shouldn't be posting.

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Unread 18-03-2008, 23:47
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I mean, some of those are good some are bad. What are the goals of bumpers.

Other than a good 8 hours of sleep on Sunday, I haven't slept properly since last Tuesday night before the Pitt regional. I suspect I'm a little loco right now and shouldn't be posting.

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Hey, no worries. We all do that some time or another.

As for what the end result of bumpers is, I've found it to be such:
1. It acts as a crutch for many teams who can't or won't build a robust frame
2. It protects the field from some damage (to an extent)
3. It defines a more easily observable area of legal contact
4. It limits teams to a fairly simple, non-creative shape (with some exceptions, obviously)
5. It protects the weaker frames from SOME impact
6. It adds perceived invulnerability for many teams, which promotes more reckless driving

I know I probably missed some, but hey, I'm only human...


It's my position that bumpers are nice and dandy, but they really shouldn't be forced onto teams.
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Re: Are the mandatory bumpers helping or hurting?

I'm in the "it limits creativity" camp. I rather like how our robot last year was nice and round with rollers.
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