Like Metal?

[DarkShinigami]

check out the Summer Slaughter tour this summer. awsome band line-up.

http://sumerianrecords.com/summerslaughter/

[Danny McC]

Originally Posted by DarkShinigami

check out the Summer Slaughter tour this summer. awsome band line-up.

http://sumerianrecords.com/summerslaughter/

W00t. They are coming to the Troc. I am there.

[Lil' Lavery]

Anyone lucky enough to land tickets to the At The Gates reunion tour this summer? I'm ticked the nearest show was NYC and that it sold out.

[Protronie]

Metal rulz! Just when they think its dead it comes back stronger...

I used to watch the Headbangers Ball ever week back when MTV was good.
I'm more oldschool... Metallica, Sabbath, Rob Zombie, and yes even Mega Death.
Of course I was in the KISS army back in the day

I like my metal heavier, darker, but can listen to the thrash,speed,and jap stuff too.

I actually like many different music genes except... disco and that rap crap.
Nice to see not all of FIRST a bunch of YMCA'ers

-p

[Derek Smith]

Hey Sean, what are your thoughts on mathcore (I loathe to use this term, but it's simple)? I.E. Between the Buried and Me, Protest the Hero, The Dillinger Escape Plan, etc.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Derek Smith

Hey Sean, what are your thoughts on mathcore (I loathe to use this term, but it's simple)? I.E. Between the Buried and Me, Protest the Hero, The Dillinger Escape Plan, etc.

I typically just refer to most of those bands as hardcore, but I'm not really into hardcore that much, so I don't really know the sub-genres that well. I pretty much just differentiate hardcore into hardcore, post-hardcore, and metalcore, but other subgenres most likely exist for those more familiar with the genre.
Based on the name of the genre, it's most likely a hardcore version of "math rock", which is basically post-rock with more complicated time signatures and rhythms (often much more technical too). This makes sense, given that all the bands you listed I've also heard described as post-hardcore.

[Phyrxes]

Not to mention that CDDB or Itunes often places an artist in different genres for different albums. Most of the current "European Metal" bands are categorized under: goth metal, black metal, symphonic metal, folk metal, dark metal, etc.

[Derek Smith]

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery

I typically just refer to most of those bands as hardcore, but I'm not really into hardcore that much, so I don't really know the sub-genres that well. I pretty much just differentiate hardcore into hardcore, post-hardcore, and metalcore, but other subgenres most likely exist for those more familiar with the genre.
Based on the name of the genre, it's most likely a hardcore version of "math rock", which is basically post-rock with more complicated time signatures and rhythms (often much more technical too). This makes sense, given that all the bands you listed I've also heard described as post-hardcore.

The thing about it is, hardcore and post hardcore are such blanket terms. If someone has a preconceived notion about a genre such as hardcore, and they're recommended a band that's technically hardcore, but barely fits within the genre, that could lead to bias before that person has even given the band a chance.

On a somewhat similar note, I fail to see why people even use the term 'post-hardcore'. The definition for the genre is incredibly vague and almost all encompassing for certain musical styles.

On another somewhat related note, you've seriously heard those bands referred to as post-hardcore? Wow, that's terrible. The only one that, I'm pretty sure at least, even comes close to fitting that classification is Protest the Hero.

But yes, links for those of you that don't know.

Protest the Hero - Wretch
The Dillinger Escape Plan's PureVolume page.
Between the Buried and Me - Selkies: The Endless Obsession

EDIT: I also must thank you, Sean. You've given me inspiration for the AP Comp paper I have to write.

[Danny McC]

Anyone gonna to Mayhem Fest the lineup looks pretty sick.

[The Farmer]

Originally Posted by Danny McC

Anyone gonna to Mayhem Fest the lineup looks pretty sick.

I want to, Slipknot and Disturbed as headliners? I would be there in an instant...but the closest venue to me is in Buffalo, and that is WAY too far for my parents to drive me...

Anyway, I would like to take this thread into a bit of a different direction; i.e., what made you get into metal? For me, I would have to say it was because of the mainstream music. I didn't have any like in music until middle school, and up until that point I had the mainstream music (rap, r&b, soft rock, alt, etc) shoved down my throat, so I found something different, which was metal...and I've liked it since.

So, what made YOU like metal?

[qwertyuiop[]\]

I seriously thought that this was a thread about your favorite alloy of metal. But anyways I personally Titanium with aluminum in a close second.

[Jeremiah Johnson]

Originally Posted by The Farmer

I want to, Slipknot and Disturbed as headliners? I would be there in an instant...but the closest venue to me is in Buffalo, and that is WAY too far for my parents to drive me...

Anyway, I would like to take this thread into a bit of a different direction; i.e., what made you get into metal? For me, I would have to say it was because of the mainstream music. I didn't have any like in music until middle school, and up until that point I had the mainstream music (rap, r&b, soft rock, alt, etc) shoved down my throat, so I found something different, which was metal...and I've liked it since.

So, what made YOU like metal?

My friend Adam dropped all of his music from his iPod onto my computer, and I started listening to it. That got me into metal. Most of it was Metallica and System of a Down. I now enjoy all kinds of metal.

[IKE]

Ok Metal Heads, I need some help. I was inspired by this thread to do some google searching. Apparently frequent searches for 12V motors and a few select key words made google think these guys were the best fit. So what does the Metal community think of 16Volt? Good Metal, or just some guys playing loud and screaming... even if it isn't good metal, it does have a catchy hook to it (first starts 1:24 into video).
Warning, they do one of those anouncers preaching for the first 40 seconds before they kick it into gear.

[Lil' Lavery]

Originally Posted by Derek Smith

The thing about it is, hardcore and post hardcore are such blanket terms. If someone has a preconceived notion about a genre such as hardcore, and they're recommended a band that's technically hardcore, but barely fits within the genre, that could lead to bias before that person has even given the band a chance.

On a somewhat similar note, I fail to see why people even use the term 'post-hardcore'. The definition for the genre is incredibly vague and almost all encompassing for certain musical styles.

On another somewhat related note, you've seriously heard those bands referred to as post-hardcore? Wow, that's terrible. The only one that, I'm pretty sure at least, even comes close to fitting that classification is Protest the Hero.

But yes, links for those of you that don't know.

Protest the Hero - Wretch
The Dillinger Escape Plan's PureVolume page.
Between the Buried and Me - Selkies: The Endless Obsession

EDIT: I also must thank you, Sean. You've given me inspiration for the AP Comp paper I have to write.

Hardcore (as well as post-hardcore and metalcore) are generic blanket terms, but I'm not really a huge fan of the genre. As a result I'm rather uneducated on the sub-genres and what differentiates them from one another. I wouldn't expect a metal outsider to be able to identify the differences between Doom and Sludge Metal, or tell me if a band is Melodic Death, Black, or Death Metal.

As for post-hardcore, at least from an outsiders view, it seem an appropriate tag. While a little bit broad, especially when you count the off-shoot genres of emo/screamo, it has some merit. It describes hardcore bands which stray from the typically hardcore "rules". Break-strains aren't essential, much more experimentation exists, and there's very heavy use of dissonance (which is my biggest turn-off from the genre, I hate over-used dissonance). Most of these bands lack attributes to be really described as "progressive" (nor does the progressive tag frequently mix with the hardcore). Aspects of hardcore and punk still exist (namely in terms of the speed and vocal styles), but they are no longer binding rules that hold the genre together.
If you want more insight I might have to talk to my roommate, he's a pretty big post-hardcore/emo/screamo fan.

[Derek Smith]

I agree with you, for the most part. You've really gotta know the intricacies of a genre to correctly classify something into the incredibly obscure subgenres.

Just a thought, though. Be careful about the use of emo/screamo. They've become incredibly generic terms due to the third wave of emo that started in the early-mid 90's. They've become quite encompassing, so the genre really doesn't have a specific sound or defining quality anymore. A lot of music elitists are almost offended at the usage of the term as a genre.

To make this an analogy: post-hardcore is like that butcher down the street that specializes in certain meats, whereas emo/screamo is Wal-Mart.