We was robbed!!!

[Stephen Kowski]

odd, certainly, but from what I understand from people at the event you weren't robbed....

from that regional the only complaints I heard was an alleged consistent 80" violation throughout the regional....

1102 was actually lined up on the field to play the semifinals when they found out there would be a replay of their quarterfinal that they thought they were done with....so don't feel too bad you aren't the only people this has ever happened too, gl next event....

[Kev]

Robbed is more like Team 614 suffering it's only defeat in regular play because of a field radio malfunction. And we didn't get a redo.

[rsilverstein]

Originally Posted by Kev

Robbed is more like Team 614 suffering it's only defeat in regular play because of a field radio malfunction. And we didn't get a redo.

Robbed is more like the Blue Alliance in the Finals of SVR.

[Danny McC]

I am sorry to hear about this happening to you. I am also sorry to say I do not think you were robbed. I believe the refs did what they think was best.

[craig watson]

i see this allot and it is somewhat common at regionals and i don't get why they can't change the scores of your match if the next match was already scored like what happened to us at ypisi where they missed one of the bots crossing a line during autonomous

hey but this is the reason for off season events
one their cheaper
two less strict rules, calls and it is more relaxed

[smurfgirl]

Originally Posted by jackthepumking

In New Orleans at the bayou regional during the third consecutive match in the quarterfinals between the two alliances chosen by team 499 and Team 34 there was an alleged autonomous Malfunction with the red alliance, causing the refs to order a Redo on match on Match 2, in which The Blue Alliance totally Creamed the Red alliance. We then replayed the match as Match 4 (even though we had already thought we were moving on to the semifinals) and lost... Now, Are we the only ones out there in this known universe who think that The whole replay situation was a load of bull?
If anything the Refs could have stopped Match 2 right there and then when the Malfunction occurred, why wait until the END of MATCH 3?!?
BESIDES, even IF the red alliance DID score those autonomous Points they STILL wouldn't have came anywhere near winning the match!!

WE WAS ROBBED

In QF 1-2 at the CT Regional, hybrid stopped working for all 6 teams on the field. They let the match continue until the end, they announced a final score... and a few matches later, they replayed QF 1-2. The red alliance won both times, but I still find it silly that they bothered to finish the match if they knew they had to replay it.

In your situation, I feel similarly that there wasn't a reason (that I know of) to finish out the match, since a rematch was needed. The malfunction made the game unfair, and the match needed to be replayed. As hard as it is to be in your situation, imagine how it would have felt to be on the alliance that got eliminated because of something beyond their control. I think the third match that became a fourth speaks to the fact that your alliances were pretty much equally matched; it was just luck that you won one match and not the other.

[Dad1279]

Originally Posted by jackthepumking

In New Orleans at the bayou regional during the third consecutive match in the quarterfinals between the two alliances chosen by team 499 and Team 34 there was an alleged autonomous Malfunction with the red alliance, causing the refs to order a Redo on match on Match 2, in which The Blue Alliance totally Creamed the Red alliance. We then replayed the match as Match 4 (even though we had already thought we were moving on to the semifinals) and lost... Now, Are we the only ones out there in this known universe who think that The whole replay situation was a load of bull?
If anything the Refs could have stopped Match 2 right there and then when the Malfunction occurred, why wait until the END of MATCH 3?!?
BESIDES, even IF the red alliance DID score those autonomous Points they STILL wouldn't have came anywhere near winning the match!!

WE WAS ROBBED

Jack -
I think there was alot of confusion as to which match was replayed. Perhaps there still is. As I remember, the second match was 70-0, and the refs told the teams that the second match was being replayed. However, I think it was actually the third match that was replayed, as the 70-0 match results are posted, not the third match results.

[Torboticsmember]

Some officials told us that they were replaying the third match because of what happened in the second match. We were on the red alliance. They said they could not replay the second match because they already put the scores up already. hope that clears up any confusion. And in the final 2 matches of the quarter-finals we were told to start hurdling, before we were playing a more defensive strategy, and I like to believe that us hurdling help us a lot. But all three of the opposing alliance teams were a good match up against us. And hopefully we will be able to play against you or with you again next year.

[Dad1279]

Originally Posted by Torboticsmember

Some officials told us that they were replaying the third match because of what happened in the second match. ........

So now I am really confused. What happened in the second match? If that is the one that was 70-0, hybrid or not, would not have changed the outcome.

Since I was not watching the opposing alliances, can anyone tell me in which match the hybrid did not run, and the score of the third match?

[Mike Martus]

The Game is complex..... The electronics are complex.......then add complex robots that often have a mind of their own and do strange things at strange times, and you have with 41 regionals many opportunities for stuff to go wrong.

It is very easy to blame this or blame that.. it is easy to pop up video to "Prove" you were right and "They were wrong........ it is even harder to accept that this is only a celebration of all the hard work a team puts in or shall we say all the GREAT learning the students will enjoy for ever.....

Point is step back.... enjoy the accomplishments... enjoy the moment that many, many others cannot...

I know easy to say..... hard to do, but guys, really, we MUST!

[Steve W]

Every regional has had it's problems. There have been hurdles that were not counted, laps that were not counted, missed penalties, wrong penalties and much more. The biggest question is: Is it more important that we win or that we have the opportunity to play?

FIRST is NOT perfect!!!! Refs are NOT perfect!!! Judges are NOT perfect!!!! Field controls are NOT perfect!!!! but most of all WE ARE NOT PERFECT!!!!

The best part of FIRST is when teams, win or lose, congratulate each other and then cheer for each other. This is a large lesson to learn but I guarantee that by the time you graduate from High School, you will have grown and understand what we are talking about.

[Torboticsmember]

The 2nd quarter final match was when the hybrid was not working. Third match it did work, but I can't remember the score of it.

[Dad1279]

Originally Posted by Torboticsmember

The 2nd quarter final match was when the hybrid was not working. Third match it did work, but I can't remember the score of it.

Can't be. Score was 70-0, and it is posted on First website.

[Kris Verdeyen]

I was the field announcer at Bayou. I can verify that the red alliance there had a strong autonomous, and that none of them moved during the hybrid period of the match in question. I remember finding it odd. After that match, and after being prompted by the red alliance, the FTA (FIRST representative) inspected the field equipment, and either immediately before or during the third match, decided with the referees that there had been a field malfunction.

I was informed after the third match, but before announcing the scores, and I announced it as soon as I was told. This was all done in good faith. The FTA and head referee had no interest in any of the teams involved, and Ed Sparks, the IFI rep, recused himself from the discussion as soon as he could.

The situation sucked for everyone, but everyone acted professionally, and did what they thought was right. In my opinion, the best was made of a bad situation.

[Chris Herold]

Well, something similar happened to us in Portland. The refs made a mistake and counted the penalties against our alliance on the other one. They were mistaken and we thought we would be in the semis. They revised it and gave the game to the other alliance. Our alliance accepted that! It was just right! Unfortunately, our robot broke down and we lost the third match! Whatever shaking hands and being happy! Celebrate FIRST! Where is your GRACIOUS PROFESSIONALISM? I think we did the right thing, went home, improved our robot and won in Seattle! Just imagine how you would have felt on the other side.
The fact is a malfunction on one side of the field is a big disadvantage and requires a replay! I think that's a rather logical consequence!

Chris