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Re: GP? I think not.
I just think its rediculous that people actually consider teams going through and winning sometimes three seperate regionals, what on earth is going through their heads as they take that third win? I just dont see how that can be helpful or inspiring in anyway, even if you want to argue that it can be inspiring to some people, I think there are much better ways to inspire people than to dominate them after completing 6 weeks of hard work. Its just unnecessary.
Edit: this is almost a seperate argument, its unnecessary weather it has to do with student mentor ratio or not. |
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Re: GP? I think not.
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Re: GP? I think not.
Split as per your request.
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Re: GP? I think not.
Well you all have made me realize that is actually two seperate issues I have presented, turns out I am not completely stubborn.
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Re: GP? I think not.
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Re: Winning Multiple Regionals
Attending and winning over three regionals has nothing to do with inspiring. If anything, it raises the bar and inspires others to be just as successful.
As Billfred said in a previous topic, I can only admire these teams and hope that one day, I can help a team get to that point. If a team can raise the money to attend three regionals and the championship, while at the same time, build a successful machine that wins, I don't see a reason why they shouldn't use it. You also have to consider the amount of support that teams (3 regional attendees) give to the FIRST community. 1114 comes to mind. They have started and helped out numerous FRC teams as well as find the time to mentor teams in FTC. These teams should not be bad talked, they should be celebrated. I love watching teams do well. It makes no sense to lower the bar to accomodate other teams when we can instead, raise the bar and help those teams get better as well. FIRST is a competition. That is why it's so much fun. I have nothing but respect for teams like 1114, 1024, 1503, 47 who continue to raise the bar. There is a reason FIRST has gotten huge in Canada and Indiana... these teams do nothing but aid in that progression. |
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Re: GP? I think not.
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Re: GP? I think not.
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If you are not inspired by excellence, are you thus inspired by mediocrity or inferiority? You're saying that it's bad to go to 3 regionals and win them. Is it problematic to go to 3 regionals and lose them too? Would you say that "good/superpower teams" should not be allowed to go to multiple competitions because they may win? I don't understand how you cannot be inspired by the best. I'm gonna take a long-shot and give you a sports reference. There are a lot of kids who play football from a young age. Most of them want to play 1 position: quarterback. And who do these people look up to? Brett Favre, Peyton Manning... the best. You ask what is going through their heads as they take their 3rd win. I was on the HOT team in high school. We won a lot back then, from awards to regionals. What goes through your mind when you win that regional? "Ahhhh! All of that hard work, blood, sweat and tears, they've all paid off!!!" As to your opinion on the student-mentor ratio, thank you for sharing it. Please note, it is your opinion. It is not right, it is not wrong, because until FIRST clarifies their position on the ratio, there will be no correct answer. I'm sorry that you feel that another team is doing things wrong. I normally try to be polite, but in this case I'm going to be frank; get over it. There is no ratio. This is not a science fair. The entire reason that FIRST is what it is, is that we have mentors to work with. Whether that means the work is split 50-50 or any other percentage, it's all legal and legit. I've seen kids who had 0% in the building of the robot. They gave ideas and drove the robot. And guess what, that convinced them to go to college and get off of the streets in the inner-city. I've seen teams that are 100% student built. They also had excellent inspiration of their students. Inspiration works differently for different people. Please, I beg you, open your eyes and look at other viewpoints. Your way may work best for you. Other ways work best for other teams. Please, do not degrade the accomplishments of another team because their business plan does not suit your standards. What they are doing is not violating any requirement, nor any rule. Look through learning eyes, not through jealous eyes, it makes the whole FIRST experience better. |
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Re: Winning Multiple Regionals
Well I think this topic is 100% opinion based.
Edit: agian the mention of jealousy, not seeing where thats coming from, I said nothing of jealousy just how I felt about this happening Last edited by DanTod97 : 03-04-2008 at 22:41. |
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Re: Winning Multiple Regionals
I've been on both sides here. I'm an alumni of a team that can and does go through a local event undefeated or with one loss and win or take finalist. I mentor a team that has yet to make regional eliminations.
From the "dominating" team's perspective, it is inspiring--but not as inspiring as the build season. It's just icing on the cake (and a chance to continue the streak of not missing a Championship in 11 years). For the team I mentor, it's inspiring to some extent. The team I graduated from is an inspiration to us. We just don't have the resources they do. We had fun at the regional both teams attended. We were a little disappointed with how we did on the field, but that gives us something to improve on for next year. I think the inspiration works on both teams; it works in different ways on different teams. |
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Edit.
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Re: GP? I think not.
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Re: Winning Multiple Regionals
My rookie year in FIRST was 1998, with Team 188. Our robot was not very good. A lot of hard work went into it, but it just wasn't up to par with many of the other robots that year. That season there was one robot that was dominating everyone, Team 47. They had the first ever swerve drive in FIRST, and when the moved around that field, it was like poetry in motion. They won three regionals that year, being the first team to ever do so. How did this make me feel? Utterly and completely inspired. I wanted to be able to create something like that amazing Chief Delphi robot.
There are those who see dominance as discouraging. There are others who see it as inspiring. I fall into the latter camp. In every aspect of my life, I am inspired by those who excel. They give me a goal to strive for, and a model to embellish. Why be discouraged by the best, when you can learn from them, and try and become the best yourself. With some effort and enthusiasm, it really can happen. |
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