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Green and pink painted robot (a good defence?)

Well lets assume a robot on the opposite alliance has made great use of the camera and has a game winning auto aim and fire algorithm.
Would painting the robot green and pink provide some sort of defensive advantage?
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Re: Green and pink painted robot (a good defence?)

Note R02 C
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Green and pink painted robot (Good defence?)

sorry to post twice, but i think this would get more responses here.

Well lets assume a robot on the opposite alliance has made great use of the camera and has a game winning auto aim and fire algorithm.
Would painting the robot green and pink provide some sort of defensive advantage? would it confuse the camera?
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Re: Green and pink painted robot (Good defence?)

I thought of the exact same strategy, but the high cost ruled it out for me

Well it all depends on how the robot was programmed. There is a chance that it may interfere with the aiming system, but at the same time they may have angled their cameras not to look at targets as low as your robot.

And don't forget, it may interfere with your alliance also...
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Re: Green and pink painted robot (a good defence?)

It does not mention colors. the devices listed give unfair technical disturbance or blind out the camera completely. The green and pink paint is not going to interfere with the camera, it will simply confuse it.
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Re: Green and pink painted robot (Good defence?)

I responded to your original and so I will repost here
See R02 part C
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Re: Green and pink painted robot (Good defence?)

Would it? Possibly/probably. In that case, <R02> comes into effect and you get penalized under <S04>.
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<S04> Permitted ROBOTS - Any ROBOT used during a MATCH must be in compliance with all Robot Rules (as defined in Chapter 8). Any ROBOT in violation of a Robot Rule will automatically be assigned a PENALTY and may receive a Yellow Card, depending on the severity of the infraction.
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Re: Green and pink painted robot (a good defence?)

The last example i.e. changing the robots color is somewhat clear. In past years this has always been interpreted to mean you can not mount target lights or paint your robot in such a way so as to confuse your opponents vision systems.
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Re: Green and pink painted robot (Good defence?)

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it may interfere with your alliance also...
Yea, there goes my idea, UNLESS you just had a random pole sticking up (not exceeding max height) that was the same collor pattern as your alliances, YEA THAT MIGHT WORK!

Edit: im going to clarify this with Q&A because this seems to be a legit defence strategy and im worried that they wouldnt allow it

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Re: Green and pink painted robot (a good defence?)

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It does not mention colors. the devices listed give unfair technical disturbance or blind out the camera completely. The green and pink paint is not going to interfere with the camera, it will simply confuse it.
I would consider a painted stick a device. Granted, its a very simple device, but it has a purpose and therefore is a device.
My opinion though.
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Re: Green and pink painted robot (a good defence?)

I would say that paint is a decoration, not to mention the specific example of color-changing robots. And confusing a camera would certainly interfere with its accuracy, which was probably the whole point of using a camera.
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Re: Green and pink painted robot (a good defence?)

Says right there in the text that was quoted

changing ROBOT color to confuse opponent’s vision system
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Oh too bad. it would have been awsome.
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Re: Green and pink painted robot (Good defence?)

Eric et al,
A robot employing such colorful marking(s) should not make it through inspection. However, (S04) would cover any team that reintroduced such color or which made it through inspection without notice.
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Re: Green and pink painted robot (a good defence?)

I wonder how this will impact the traditional Pink and Green teams. Moe has been green for years, do they have to mute their color this year?
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