FRC Top 25- Post-Build Ranking

[joshsmithers]

First, I honestly do not know where this thread should go. The previous ranking was moved to the "Games/Trivia" forum, but I don't believe it belongs there. The "Games/Trivia" forum is a sub-forum of the "Chit-Chat" forum, where "off-topic discussion" occurs. This certainly is not off-topic, yet it belongs to none of the other forums.

Each week, there are top 25 rankings for sports. In the AP Poll, highly qualified sports addicts and writers vote on who they think the top 25 teams are for each sport. This poll is similar, where FIRST addicts vote on who they think the top 25 teams are for the FRC. Voters picked teams based on success shown at competitions in the past, consistency of the team, and robot design and function. This week, seven of the voters submitted complete lists, and the results are based solely on those lists. Some voters have revealed themselves in the thread for the previous ranking. The next ranking will follow the Week 1 Regionals.

1. 1114
2. 254
3. 968
4. 148
5. 217
6. 71
7. 111
8. 233
9. 330
10. 67
11. 1024
12. 25
13. 987
14. 16
15. 2056
16. 365
17. 1126
18. 118
19. 33
20. 103
21. 27
22. 39
23. 121
24. 180
25. 469

[Tom Bottiglieri]

I'm not sure how you can rank without seeing some of these robots, never mind how the game will play out..

I for one think scoring moon rocks will be disadvantageous, and 1114 will be nothing more than a glorified paper weight this season.

[Danny McC]

I am really glad you can rank teams based solely on videos they have put up. Most of which scored on non-moving trailers.

[MikeMascaro]

Take it easy guys, lets not forget this teams have a tradition of being very, very good.
It's just a pre-competition ranking. If you disagree then you can prove them wrong later in the year.

[Jimmy Cao]

No offense, but I don't see any way to "objectively" define this. I mean, you can think that this or that robot is the best, but how can you know? I'm sure you haven't seen some of these robots yet (my team is one of them). We don't compete until week 3 either, and I'm sure some other teams on your list fall into a similar situation.

Nevertheless, this is interesting speculation. I feel honored to be on this list ^.^

[Greg Needel]

This list makes no sense to me. Over half the robots on this list have yet to be seen.

I also doubt your testing methodology as 7 people is not large enough for a statistical distribution of opinions, considering that those 7 people probably all know each other and share the opinions.

I would argue that this game is SO different then past years that ranking based on reputation alone is not a valid ranking criteria.

[Rick]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

I'm not sure how you can rank without seeing some of these robots, never mind how the game will play out..

I for one think scoring moon rocks will be disadvantageous, and 1114 will be nothing more than a glorified paper weight this season.

I'd have to disagree. How can scoring points be disadvantageous?

One of the smartest and adaptable teams on the planet will not be a paper weight. They will help decide how this game plays out in the coming weeks.

20 seconds is not that long to score SCs. 100 seconds just with moon rocks can be devastating when you look at teams of 1114's caliber.

Did 125 concentrate only on super cells?

[big1boom]

Hmm... no 2022... Probably because we didn't put a video of our robot running. Oh how I wish I had recorded some of it... To late now, see you at Chicago.

[XaulZan11]

I thought your 'preseason rankings' had more merit (though I was a little critical of that one) because you were ranking teams solely based on reputation. But, now you are comparing apples to oranges; team's reputations (71, 233...) with videos, pictures and stories (180).

Also, by whoever moved this, also set a precident and by all these rankings and predictions will be moved to 'chit chat'. I don't know if Looking Foward will enjoy being pushed into chit chat.

[Kyle]

Lets just take this at face value, its a poll that only 7 people filled out.. a guess and nothing more. Don't get all riled up over nothing, but use this as a motivation to show the list wrong.

[joshsmithers]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

I'm not sure how you can rank...

If you had read the post, it is not myself that is ranking these teams, but seven other people. I will never partake in the voting.

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

...without seeing some of these robots, never mind how the game will play out..

And yet, somehow seven people out of the eleven prompted found the means to submit to me a logical list of who they thought were the top 25 teams in FRC.

Originally Posted by Danny McC

I am really glad you can rank...

Again, I did not rank any teams. Other people did.

Originally Posted by Greg Needel

I also doubt your testing methodology as 7 people is not large enough for a statistical distribution of opinions, considering that those 7 people probably all know each other and share the opinions.

Hey, it's better than the six that voted last time.

[smurfgirl]

I would argue that this game is SO different then past years that ranking based on reputation alone is not a valid ranking criteria.

While the game is quite different than years past, teams which have good reputations are probably very capable of adapting to the new challenges. But we'll get a better idea of what will happen in two days.

[gorrilla]

good list....although I cant see why "you"(whoever voted) would include a teams reputation in the criteria......i would argue that new teams would stand a better chance of adapting to this game?

[joshsmithers]

Originally Posted by XaulZan11

Also, by whoever moved this, also set a precident and by all these rankings and predictions will be moved to 'chit chat'. I don't know if Looking Foward will enjoy being pushed into chit chat.

I disagree with the precedent set, but from now on, I willl politely put the rankings into the "Chit-chat" forum. Apparently this is Off-topic and belongs with discussions about anime, food, and woot.com.

For the record, this is the message I sent to the voters....

Each voter will rank who they think are the top 25 teams in FRC. For the post-build season ranking, please rank the teams based on these qualities: past success*, success consistency, and how you think they will do this year based on what you have seen/heard about their robot. When you rank a team, you are casting votes for that team. If you rank a team first, you cast 25 votes for that team. If you rank them second, you cast 24 votes. Votes will be compiled by me and teams will then be ranked in order of most to least votes. Only the top 25 teams will show up in the rankings. Number of votes received will not be shown. The Top 25 will be posted on CD. The voters will not be made known by me, but you can make yourself known if you wish.

It would be great if you could get your top 25 in by the 21st. It MUST be in by the 22nd. There will also be rankings each week after the regionals and a post-season ranking. Each week, ALL TEAMS need to be considered in the ranking, whether they have played yet or not, or have been seen yet or not.

*Success can be a number of things, so allow me to define it. Success is how likely a team is to win an award or match over any other given FRC team. This applies to all awards equally. This does not have to be carefully calculated out by the voter; it is simply subjective.

[Rick TYler]

Originally Posted by Tom Bottiglieri

I for one think scoring moon rocks will be disadvantageous, and 1114 will be nothing more than a glorified paper weight this season.

"Glorified" as in "covered in Championship banners"?

I suspect Tom's tongue is so far into his cheek that he looks like he is smuggling moon rocks in his mouth.