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Re: Team 71's 2002 robot

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One of the methods to gain points in 2002 was having part of your robot in your "endzone" at the end of the match (segment closest to your alliance station). Any part of the robot counted, so many teams devised tethers they dropped and left there and/or "runners" that would drive back on a tether towards the end of the match in order to get these points while still being in position to control the goals.
If I remember right, you got points if any of your robot was in either alliance's endzone. So teams could double up their endzone points. I remember seeing a robot at the LA regional that had a 40 foot ARM that would try to reach the other zone across the field at the end of a match.

Our team had to go up against the Bionic Bulldogs (60) that year in the Finals at SVR - the robot that team 60 built would grab two goals in the first few seconds of each match and your only defense against them was to beat them there. One team rebuilt their gearing to try and basically ram 60 as hard as they could in teh first few moments of the match. During the lunch break on Friday at SVR, team 60 did a demo for a news crew where they grabbed both goals, lifted them, and then spun them at about 60 rpm. Quite a sight, however they never spun them during match play.
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Re: Team 71's 2002 robot

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Quite a sight, however they never spun them during match play.
They spun 'em in L.A., at least.

I do know of at least one team that could have beaten them despite losing the race to the goals, though. 330 was capable (tested in a practice match, both agreeing) of shoving 60 under the right conditions, like with 330's 3rd goal grabber close to the floor. (It was a wedge with a hole cut for pipes, and still has the scratches from that practice match.)
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Re: Team 71's 2002 robot

The good 'ol wayback machine came to the rescue again. From the competition manual in terms of scoring
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One (1) point for each ball if all conditions below are true:
o Contained in or supported by a goal
o Not in contact with or supported by your or your partner’s robot (opposing alliance
touching balls in a goal does not negate their value.)
o Not in contact with the carpet
o The goal is “in” your ball zone (the proper ball scoring zones are Zones 1, 2, 4, and 5)
• Ten (10) points for each goal in your goal zone (Zone 2 or 4)
• Ten (10) points for each robot in your robot zone. (Zone 1 or 5)
Zones were numbered 1-5 with 1 and 2 being on the blue side, 3 being neutral, and 4-5 being red.

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Pardon my vague recollection of 2002 rules (it looks like you lost 31-30), and not to rub it in, but why didn't 519 release the goal and leave the zone to make the last two balls 111 scored a moot point?
Yeah, I think the score was 31-30, and like you said, if 519 got out of the zone, we would have only gotten 20 points. Maybe they couldn't release? Maybe they were preventing us from running away with the goal? Who knows...
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Re: Team 71's 2002 robot

I like thinking about previous years games with LARGE objects that we moved around with the robots and had to interacts with the pieces. The giant "puck", the 3 goals in 02, the tetertotter.... things that were easy but not easy to move.

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I have to mention that one of our alliance partners, team 308 from Walled Lake Michigan. Their robot was able to pick up 2 180lb goals and then move forward into the scoring zones. Looking back I appreciate the ability to do that given the limited motor selections, transmissions and technology available at the time. You have to realize this was pre-AndyMark after all!
Those final matches still haunt me. I was the coach for 308 back in those days. During the first match of the finals on the way to the goals a shaft in our right gearbox shifted by about 1/8" and the first stage of gears got shredded, making us basically useless for the entire finals. It still kills me. Would we have won? Who knows - but I wish I would've gotten to see the matchup played out.
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Re: Team 71's 2002 robot

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Those final matches still haunt me. I was the coach for 308 back in those days. During the first match of the finals on the way to the goals a shaft in our right gearbox shifted by about 1/8" and the first stage of gears got shredded, making us basically useless for the entire finals. It still kills me. Would we have won? Who knows - but I wish I would've gotten to see the matchup played out.

I know exactly what you mean. You guys had an awesome machine. Looking back though I can truly say it was a great time, win or lose!
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Re: Team 71's 2002 robot

Oh how I love these types of threads.

We get veteran members of the FIRST community coming in and sharing their wisdom of FIRST history.

It's always nice to hear stories from back before I was really involved. 2002 was my first year, as a spectator, in FIRST.
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