I've been waiting for kickoff long enough!

[EricH]

Originally Posted by IndySam

Wait will New Zealand get more or less time?

NZ (and the Phillipines) are on the "wrong" side of the International Date Line. I would guess that they'd get less time.

For a sure answer, ask FRC 3105.

[Phreadumb]

Assuming that kickoff is at 9:00am(EST), here is how many more or less hours each team in a particular time zone has. The time zones are listed going into the westward direction starting with Eastern Standard Time US.

Kickoff EST - 9:00am
8:00am +1
7:00am +2
6:00am +3
5:00am +4
4:00am +5 - Hawaiian Teams Here
3:00am +6
2:00am +7
International Dateline
1:00am -16
12:00am -15
11:00pm -14
10:00pm -13 - Team 3105
9:00pm -12
8:00pm -11
7:00pm -10
6:00pm -9
5:00pm -8
4:00pm -7
3:00pm -6
2:00pm -5
1:00pm -4
12:00am -3
11:00am -2
10:00am -1

[bobwrit]

Bug a krispy kreme or it's box

[NickE]

Originally Posted by Phreadumb

Assuming that kickoff is at 9:00am(EST), here is how many more or less hours each team in a particular time zone has. The time zones are listed going into the westward direction starting with Eastern Standard Time US.

Kickoff EST - 9:00am
8:00am +1
7:00am +2
6:00am +3
5:00am +4
4:00am +5
3:00am +6 - Hawaiian teams here
2:00am +7
International Dateline
1:00am -16
12:00am -15
11:00pm -14
10:00pm -13 - Team 3105
9:00pm -12
8:00pm -11
7:00pm -10
6:00pm -9
5:00pm -8
4:00pm -7
3:00pm -6
2:00pm -5
1:00pm -4
12:00am -3
11:00am -2
10:00am -1

You can double all of these values, as Eric explains:

Originally Posted by EricH

Check your math. We get the game at 7:00 AM local; the East Coast gets it at 10:00 AM local. They ship at or before midnight local, which is 9 PM local on the West Coast...but ship date is by midnight local! That's not a 3-hour difference, it's 2 3-hour differences, both in our favor. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

[lingomaniac88]

Originally Posted by EricH

Check your math. We get the game at 7:00 AM local; the East Coast gets it at 10:00 AM local. They ship at or before midnight local, which is 9 PM local on the West Coast...but ship date is by midnight local! That's not a 3-hour difference, it's 2 3-hour differences, both in our favor. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

I think you're counting the same three-hour difference twice. When east coast teams learn about the game, it's still 7:00 AM on the west coast. In other words, the revelation of the game occurs at the same time for east coast and west coast teams. The only difference occurs at the shipping deadline, where there is a three-hour difference. This means that there is a three-hour advantage, not a six-hour advantage.

[EricH]

Originally Posted by lingomaniac88

I think you're counting the same three-hour difference twice. When east coast teams learn about the game, it's still 7:00 AM on the west coast. In other words, the revelation of the game occurs at the same time for east coast and west coast teams. The only difference occurs at the shipping deadline, where there is a three-hour difference. This means that there is a three-hour advantage, not a six-hour advantage.

I am. And it's legit. The shipping deadline, if you had read the rules that closely (I admit, it's hard to when you have a robot to build), you would have found that the ship deadline is called out as being local time. So, let's say the deadline is 5:00 PM local time. East Coast, 5:00 PM rolls around, and all the robots are out of team hands. West Coast, it's still 2:00 PM. Teams are just starting to load crates then... or else they're squeezing in practice or adding that manipulator. That's a built-in 3-hour difference.

Now, the East Coast teams learn at, say, 10:00 AM local. The West Coast teams learn at 7:00 AM local--3 hours earlier local time (or, local +3, if you so prefer, for the East Coast). So, you have 7-10 AM on Kickoff (3 hours). You then have 2-5 PM on Ship Date (3 hours). That's the local time that the West Coast teams have the game/the robot that East Coast teams don't have during the same timeframe. Guess what? 3+3=6. It's still 6 hours.

So, under realtime conditions, you're right, it's 3 hours. However, under LOCAL conditions (and who doesn't stay in their area during robotics? It's not like there's anything else to do.), it's double that due to time zone differences. And local time makes all the difference.

Originally Posted by EricH

I am. And it's legit. The shipping deadline, if you had read the rules that closely (I admit, it's hard to when you have a robot to build), you would have found that the ship deadline is called out as being local time. So, let's say the deadline is 5:00 PM local time. East Coast, 5:00 PM rolls around, and all the robots are out of team hands. West Coast, it's still 2:00 PM. Teams are just starting to load crates then... or else they're squeezing in practice or adding that manipulator. That's a built-in 3-hour difference.

Now, the East Coast teams learn at, say, 10:00 AM local. The West Coast teams learn at 7:00 AM local--3 hours earlier local time (or, local +3, if you so prefer, for the East Coast). So, you have 7-10 AM on Kickoff (3 hours). You then have 2-5 PM on Ship Date (3 hours). That's the local time that the West Coast teams have the game/the robot that East Coast teams don't have during the same timeframe. Guess what? 3+3=6. It's still 6 hours.

So, under realtime conditions, you're right, it's 3 hours. However, under LOCAL conditions (and who doesn't stay in their area during robotics? It's not like there's anything else to do.), it's double that due to time zone differences. And local time makes all the difference.

I'll say it again: Darn you crafty West Coast teams and your extra 6 hours of building!