2010 5th Gear FRC Match Simulator

[harpal1991]

i am having a problem with installation. when i downloaded it i installed phyx on my pc and separately installed the .net 3.5 and the xna and till when i run the setup.exe i get the application install security warning; and when i press install its gives me a message saying "application cannot be started. please contact the application vendor" here is the detail file

PLATFORM VERSION INFO
	Windows 			: 6.0.6002.131072 (Win32NT)
	Common Language Runtime 	: 2.0.50727.4200
	System.Deployment.dll 		: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
	mscorwks.dll 			: 2.0.50727.4200 (NetFxQFE.050727-4200)
	dfdll.dll 			: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)
	dfshim.dll 			: 2.0.50727.4016 (NetFxQFE.050727-4000)

SOURCES
	Deployment url			: file:///C:/Users/habby/Documents/Downloads/Compressed/5thGear2010v2_1/5thGear.application
	Application url			: file:///C:/Users/habby/Documents/Downloads/Compressed/5thGear2010v2_1/Application%20Files/5thGear_2_1_0_212/5thGear.exe.manifest

IDENTITIES
	Deployment Identity		: 5thGear.application, Version=2.1.0.212, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=0000000000000000, processorArchitecture=x86
	Application Identity		: 5thGear.exe, Version=2.1.0.212, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=0000000000000000, processorArchitecture=x86, type=win32

APPLICATION SUMMARY
	* Installable application.

ERROR SUMMARY
	Below is a summary of the errors, details of these errors are listed later in the log.
	* Activation of C:\Users\habby\Documents\Downloads\Compressed\5thGear2010v2_1\5thGear.application resulted in exception. Following failure messages were detected:
		+ Store metadata "DeploymentSourceUri" is not valid.

COMPONENT STORE TRANSACTION FAILURE SUMMARY
	No transaction error was detected.

WARNINGS
	* The manifest for this application does not have a signature. Signature validation will be ignored.
	* The manifest for this application does not have a signature. Signature validation will be ignored.

OPERATION PROGRESS STATUS
	* [2/20/2010 5:57:14 PM] : Activation of C:\Users\habby\Documents\Downloads\Compressed\5thGear2010v2_1\5thGear.application has started.
	* [2/20/2010 5:57:14 PM] : Processing of deployment manifest has successfully completed.
	* [2/20/2010 5:57:14 PM] : Installation of the application has started.
	* [2/20/2010 5:57:14 PM] : Processing of application manifest has successfully completed.
	* [2/20/2010 5:58:27 PM] : Request of trust and detection of platform is complete.
	* [2/20/2010 5:58:29 PM] : Downloading of subscription dependencies is complete.
	* [2/20/2010 5:58:29 PM] : Commit of the downloaded application has started.

ERROR DETAILS
	Following errors were detected during this operation.
	* [2/20/2010 5:58:30 PM] System.Deployment.Application.DeploymentException (SubscriptionState)
		- Store metadata "DeploymentSourceUri" is not valid.
		- Source: System.Deployment
		- Stack trace:
			at System.Deployment.Application.ComponentStore.GetPropertyString(DefinitionAppId appId, String propName)
			at System.Deployment.Application.ComponentStore.GetPropertyUri(DefinitionAppId appId, String propName)
			at System.Deployment.Application.ComponentStore.GetSubscriptionStateInternal(DefinitionIdentity subId)
			at System.Deployment.Application.SubscriptionStore.GetSubscriptionStateInternal(SubscriptionState subState)
			at System.Deployment.Application.ComponentStore.CollectCrossGroupApplications(Uri codebaseUri, DefinitionIdentity deploymentIdentity, Boolean& identityGroupFound, Boolean& locationGroupFound, String& identityGroupProductName)
			at System.Deployment.Application.SubscriptionStore.CommitApplication(SubscriptionState& subState, CommitApplicationParams commitParams)
			at System.Deployment.Application.ApplicationActivator.InstallApplication(SubscriptionState& subState, ActivationDescription actDesc)
			at System.Deployment.Application.ApplicationActivator.PerformDeploymentActivation(Uri activationUri, Boolean isShortcut, String textualSubId, String deploymentProviderUrlFromExtension, BrowserSettings browserSettings, String& errorPageUrl)
			at System.Deployment.Application.ApplicationActivator.ActivateDeploymentWorker(Object state)

COMPONENT STORE TRANSACTION DETAILS
	No transaction information is available.

[Chris is me]

This may be too much to ask, but could I suggest a controls revamp?

For all but one driving mode, both joysticks are in use, so using the face buttons for ball manipulation is a bit difficult. Could the shoulder buttons be used for that? LB return, RB grab, RT fire?

Also, arcade drive with one thumbstick is a little difficult. In most FRC applications, arcade turning is assigned to the other stick anyway. Could that be done in 5th gear?

[gblake]

Folks - We have updated the 2.1 5th Gear release - See here 5G Version 2.1.1 Announcement

Subscribing to the FIRST 5th Gear Forum (and to this thread) would be a good idea if you want to keep up with new releases.

Blake

[gblake]

Originally Posted by harpal1991

i am having a problem with installation. when i downloaded it i installed phyx on my pc and separately installed the .net 3.5 and the xna and till when i run the setup.exe i get the application install security warning; and when i press install its gives me a message saying "application cannot be started. please contact the application vendor" here is the detail file

PLATFORM VERSION INFO
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No transaction information is available.

harpal - I'm not sure if we intentionally did anything that would fix the problem you reported; but we would appreciate it if you would download and try the latest release (2.1.1) to see if the problem you reported got fixed as a side effect of the other fixes.

Let us know in the FIRST 5th Gear forum or here how it turns out.

Thanks
Blake

[harpal1991]

hey thanks for the reply and i have tried downloading the new version of the app but still the same problem presists. if you guys could do me a favor caop all the files in the instrall folder and send video a uploading service just to see if i have all the files

[Alex_Miller]

is it possible to play this with an ATI card? Seeing as how you need the Nvidia Physx engine and all..

[lachoneus8]

Originally Posted by MasterAlex

is it possible to play this with an ATI card? Seeing as how you need the Nvidia Physx engine and all..

Yes. PhysX uses NVidia hardware if it is available, but if not it will process the physics using software emulation (slower, but should run just fine).

[playbass06]

By the way, guys, thanks a bunch for the quick update you gave us at KC. It solved the problems. We started a few rounds of our 5th Gear tournament today, and it's going fairly well.
And Intel integrated graphics seem to handle PhysX just fine - as does Intel GMA HD cards! (I find it odd how I had a GeForce 7150M that hated PhysX, yet non-nVidia cards work beautifully...)
I think one of you said you had also run into problems with XNA 3.1, but on my laptop it doesn't seem to create any problems.
And I think I heard you were going to be at Minnesota?

[gblake]

Sounds like we gave away too many fixes in one shot - What will we do for an encore? - We need to learn to pace ourselves

We are delighted it worked well - Kudos to David Dobbs for getting us over the hump on that one.

Friday afternoon a couple of players in DC helped us pin down the source of the problem (or at least got us much closer to a diagnosis than we were before) - For a reward we gave them both a 5th Gear polo shirt - There are only 60 in all the world - They are sure to become a valuable collectible (I had better not see them show up on eBay... ).

Yes - Employees/volunteers form Lockheed Martin's Eagan plant are planning to run a 5th Gear exhibit are the Minnesota Regional(s).

Blake

[Chris is me]

Any word on whether or not this will be at WPI? I just found out I'm going and would like to know how much of my free time will be spent away from my team

[gblake]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Any word on whether or not this will be at WPI? I just found out I'm going and would like to know how much of my free time will be spent away from my team

I am unaware if the WPI Regional will include a 5th Gear set-up.

However... If 7 teams each brought one computer/monitor (already proved to run the simulator) and one Xbox Controller, and someone tossed in a LAN switch, seven Ethernet cables, and some power strips - Then, after scrounging up a couple of tables and a power outlet at the event, the answer would be a definite "Yes".

If some of you decide to do this (take the stone soup approach to putting together a set-up), then let me know so that I can send one of you a slightly different copy of the executable and a batch file to automatically restart it after each match.

Blake
PS: Double check with your hosts at WPI before doing this - Not all floor space that appears available actually is available, and not all power circuits will have extra Amps for surprise loads. One phone call or email exchange ought to be enough to pave the way.

[gblake]

Folks - FYI - A programming challenge that can involve 5th Gear


Challenge Thread: Full Thread
Original Challenge: Original Post
My Reply: 5th Gear Post

Blake

[Chris is me]

Is there an API or something for 5th gear robots? I would love to try some psuedo programming / AI algorithms for Overdrive in my spare time (I used big words to make me sound smart)... is this possible?

[gblake]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

Is there an API or something for 5th gear robots? I would love to try some psuedo programming / AI algorithms for Overdrive in my spare time (I used big words to make me sound smart)... is this possible?

There is an informal description of the interface between the Server and the client that needs to be polished and made more detailed before publication, and there is my Java client-side Client-Server communication code that could be updated and compiled into a set of class files that could be distributed (so that other Java code could incorporate them).

I figure I'm about 40 labor-hours away from being able to release those two items. I also have to get my taxes filed and prep for the 5th Gear exhibit at the Championships, and keep an eye on the Week 5 exhibits, and participate in a May Vex off-season event locally, and design/build some Vex bots that will be used in community College workshops this summer, and take some Vex bots to our local 4H office to show to a Virginia House of Delegates member, and ...

No - I'm not looking for pity but I am explaining why I/we haven't released these two items quite yet.

However, when I saw the other thread I couldn't resist letting folks know that it is possible to release them in the near future, and that those 40 hours might rise up nearer the top of my to-do list if there is enough interest (the tax man and the Championship exhibit have to stay at the top of the list).

Blake

[Rangel]

I just have one question. What are the controls for tank drive and is it possible to change the point of view so that you watch your robot from the alliance station? Also, is it possible to change the buttons for what they do by changing the code? Well, I guess that's actually 2 questions.