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Unread 11-01-2010, 18:17
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Re: Changing bumper colors

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F. The fabric covering the BUMPERS must be solid red or solid blue in color. Visually, the red or blue must be as close to the corresponding color in the FIRST logo as reasonable (i.e. to a reasonably astute observer, they appear similar). The only markings permitted on the BUMPER fabric cover are the team number (see Rule <R15>).
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I'd guess the Royal.
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Re: Changing bumper colors

We ordered the royal blue by chance, however, a bunch of teams called and ordered Navy.
If Seattle Fabrics is the official vendor for the bumper fabric as they have been the last several years, FIRST should let them know, to save time and hastles for other teams.
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Re: Changing bumper colors

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...If Seattle Fabrics is the official vendor for the bumper fabric as they have been the last several years, FIRST should let them know, to save time and hastles for other teams.
If Seattle Fabrics is the official vendor for the bumper fabric, FIRST should let us know....
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If Seattle Fabrics is the official vendor for the bumper fabric, FIRST should let us know....
Problem is that FIRST did and it is vague enough that teams didnt know which one to buy.
Anyhow, Phillip from Seattle Fabrics called back and confirmed that teams need to order the Royal Blue one.
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Re: Changing bumper colors

In my opinion creating different color slips to go over the bumpers (as mentioned in the manual) seem easier than creating two separate sets. This enables you to do a fast change, plus you don't have to go through the hassle of creating and testing both sets.
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Re: Changing bumper colors

So navy blue? Correct?
And what are the pros. and cons. of the cover slips vs. individual bumpers for the different colors...

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Re: Changing bumper colors

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So navy blue? Correct?
And what are the pros. and cons. of the cover slips vs. individual bumpers for the different colors...
Royal Blue...see Glenn's quote:

Anyhow, Phillip from Seattle Fabrics called back and confirmed that teams need to order the Royal Blue one.
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Re: Changing bumper colors

would using zippers be legal as a means of attaching bumper covers? Looking at the rules I can't tell if they would fall under the "hard" or "soft" section of the bumpers themselves and am therefore unsure as to a legal location.
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Re: Changing bumper colors

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would using zippers be legal as a means of attaching bumper covers? Looking at the rules I can't tell if they would fall under the "hard" or "soft" section of the bumpers themselves and am therefore unsure as to a legal location.
It sounds like a great idea, they would be more than strong enough. I believe the zipper would fall under the hard part of the bumper though. Assuming you designed the bumpers right, this would be legal.
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In my opinion creating different color slips to go over the bumpers (as mentioned in the manual) seem easier than creating two separate sets. This enables you to do a fast change, plus you don't have to go through the hassle of creating and testing both sets.
It does seem easier, but do you really want to get penalized because your bumper covers come off? I believe our team will just go with the two sets of bumpers just to be safe and make sure that the bolts are easy to access and we have four people with four wrenches ready to attack those buggers.
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It does seem easier, but do you really want to get penalized because your bumper covers come off? I believe our team will just go with the two sets of bumpers just to be safe and make sure that the bolts are easy to access and we have four people with four wrenches ready to attack those buggers.

Haha that's true Brendan. I guess it's better safe than sorry
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Re: Changing bumper colors

In 2007 and 2008, we did alternating bumper colors to show which alliance we were on. It was fun, and the announcers had a great amount of fun with it. If they are designed right, it isn't that hard to change them, especially if you have one person per bumper. During Quals, there is usually enough time between matches to make the change.
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Re: Changing bumper colors

Industrial strength velcro should work pretty well for bumper covers. We have used it for side panels of fabric on our robot and it takes some pulling to get it off. Then you could have have one set of bumpers and fabric covers. We often use fabric on our robots. We use the Cordura nylon in areas that we want to deflect sharp arms from other robots or mechanisms that unfold to guide a ball. There is velcro that you sew on and stuff that has an industrial adhesive. Sew the velcro to the cloth and use the adhesive type for sticking it to metal. Go back and rivet the stick on stuff if you want added security. Use velcro as wide as you can for more strength. It won't go anywhere.

We don't have a trailer or large storage area so I would rather do anything NOT to have a duplicate set of bumpers kicking around the pit or workroom. They are difficult to store and take up a lot of space.

Now what would be cool is to get that programmable cloth and program in the color. Anyone have a few thousand extra just for bumpers?


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I did work briefly for a company that made thermochromic fabric that was electrically actuated. Too bad it uses alot of power, as that would be pretty cool looking.
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Re: Changing bumper colors

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<R15> Teams shall display their team number on the BUMPERS in four
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at approximately 90-degree intervals around the perimeter of the ROBOT. The numerals must be at least 4 inches high, at least in ¾-inch stroke width and in a contrasting color from its background. Team Numbers must be clearly visible from a distance of not less than 100 feet, so that judges, referees, and announcers can easily identify competing ROBOTS.
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