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An FRC Family Tree...

So tonight, I thought of an idea. During a late night discussion of the various connections between some storied FRC teams (sometimes Akash and I stay up late to talk about robots, since we're giant losers), a question came across my mind. With so many teams being the result of other FRC teams, either through direct / indirect mentorship or team splits and combination... What would a FIRST family tree look like? With so many teams partly responsible for the success of other teams, the amount of inter-team connections must be astounding. So, after a quick search on CD turned up nothing, I've decided to collect a little data and make one of my own in my spare time.

So seeing as there really isn't a database for any of this stuff anywhere, I would love your help! If you could list what teams your team's mentored, or what team mentored your team in your rookie year, that would be awesome! Any other additional inter-team information would also be appreciated.

edit: Akash found this really old thread a few minutes after I hit post. We're playing with graphing / charting software and want to make a new, fresh tree for only FRC, though, so a new thread would make more sense.
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

Something like this? http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=77259
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

This is a pretty cool idea.

I've used Genopro for making family trees http://www.genopro.com/ Its a pretty nice program, plus its got a 14 day free trial.
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

It would be cool to have a family tree version of that, and I completely missed that thread when it first came out (course I think it was right around when I was moving!) (amazing job to 358 for pulling all that data together WOW!).

I was trying to wrap my head around it, how would the parent/child thing work for situations like 176/229/1511?? 176 was my HS team, then I founded 229, and then founded 1511... so technically 176 is a parent, but is 1511 the child of 229 or 176?? I doubt I'm the only case like that these days...
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

For a number of years we had a giant gear we would take to competitions (and later a computer with a projector) that would have the numbers of all the teams at the competition around the outside. Every time a team came up and told us about a connection we would connect the two teams with string and a note describing the connection. By the end of a competition it would be a mass strings. The connections could be something as simple as "677 lent 1014 a drills bit" to "Our mentor Danny used to be on your team." It really brought home the interconnectedness of the FRC competition. I will have to look for one of our old pictures of the gear. It's too bad we had to stop doing it (stopped getting permission to set it up).
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

Chris, if you'd like a bit of History on 816, here it is:

In 2001, Team 87 Reached out to our school (BCIT Westampton) and invited some of our students to join there FRC team. That year a handful of students and a teacher from our school were full members of their team and even traveled to the "National" Championship with them.

Then, in 2002 the two schools split, and 87 remained 87 while a new team was created out of BCIT Westampton known as 816, "The Anarchists" with their robot being named Anomaly. Over the years our name has gone back and forth from being "The Anarchists" to the "Westech Panthers" to "Team Anomaly" or "The Westech Anomaly" due to various issues.

Also, 816 has an indirect relationship with 203 out of Camden County Technical School. The Teacher that started 816 worked at Camden County Tech in the early years of 203. I do not believe he was directly involved in any way, but he knew of their existence.

We still have periodic contact with some of the area teams; 87, 203, 1647, and 2729, but I wouldn't really call any of the contact mentoring. Also, 87, 816, 1647 and 2729 are all sponsored by Lockheed Martin in some form or another...

And a nifty bit of FVC (Not FTC!) history for you. In 2005-2006, 816 chose to field a team for the "First Vex Challenge", and this team was 68. We competed at the Diamond State FVC Tournament that year and were the #4 or #5 seed. The next year, 2006-2007, we became FVC team 816 and competed at the inaugural NJ FVC competition and the Diamond State FVC competition. The next year, 2007-2008, we chose not to go back to FVC due to the various restructuring shenanigans.
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

You could check out Chairmans submissions...

I know that 1114 was spawned by ex-members of 188, and 1114 then spawned 1503, 1680, 2056, 2166, and possibly more, and have had a large effect on many more teams than that.

1075 hasn't really done much in that regard, we briefly flirted with the idea of a 1075/48 trackdrive defensebot collaboration in late 2007, but it never really amounted to much.

I believe 188 has ties to many Canadian teams. Mark Breadner (one of their original mentors, and for a time chairman of FIRST Robotics Canada) led the drive to create alot of the Canadian teams that exist today, 1075 included.

I know 188 directly spawned, and supported 2505.

Ex-188 Mentors went on to create 2809.

Theres more, I just can't think of them off-hand.
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188 has supported 1075 by letting us come to their school, and use their practice field setup, as well as providing us with bits and pieces required/lost.
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

100 was the first Californian team, founded 1995.

Team 8 was founded in 1996. Teams 192, 114, and 61 (which became 330, 294, and 207) followed.

Here's an old picture from 1997.

I don't believe team 100 has ever started another team, but I'm sure our participation and initial success in FIRST got other schools interested.
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You could check out Chairmans submissions...

I know that 1114 was spawned by ex-members of 188, and 1114 then spawned 1503, 1680, 2056, 2166, and possibly more, and have had a large effect on many more teams than that.

I believe 188 has ties to many Canadian teams. Mark Breadner (one of their original mentors, and for a time chairman of FIRST Robotics Canada) led the drive to create alot of the Canadian teams that exist today, 1075 included.

I know 188 directly spawned, and supported 2505.

Ex-188 Mentors went on to create 2809.
You've got some of it right. Team 1114, was one of the teams that Mark Breadner started during his tenure as Regional Director for Canada. In 1114's second season, Ian Mackenzie and myself (188 Alumni) became 1114 mentors.

Team 2505 was started by 188 alumni, with support from 1114. Team 2809 was not started by 188 alumni, rather they were founded by a combination of 610, 771, 1114 & 2166 alumni.

If you were to trace the lineage of any Canadian team outside of Quebec, every team would lead back to 188. Mark Breadner started an astonishing amount of rookie teams from 2002-2005, at least 60 perhaps even more. Some of these teams, such as 781 and 1114, have gone on to start numerous rookie teams themselves, further extending the family tree that Mark and 188 started.

Considering the legacy of their family tree, it astonishes me that Team 188 has not won a Regional Chairman's Award since 2002.
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

My mistake Karthik, I thought you and Ian started with 1114 from the beginning in 2003.

As for them not getting an RCA since 02... I agree its astonishing, but with teams like 1114 and 2056 stealing all the limelight, I'm not overly surprised. Its hard to turn your focus away from the wild success experienced by 1114 and 2056 to see that alot of it is because of the efforts of 188 over the years. The programs run by 1114 and 2056 are nothing short of impressive. Keep it up guys.
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

1592 started in 2005 and we where a branch off of 233. They helped us a lot that first year. Thanks again 233.
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

Team 64 founded in 1998 has since split into two teams, 39 and 1013

One of the founding members, Rob Mainieri, went on to start teams 498,812 and 3170. Someone else can fill all the details with 812 and San Diego Robotics. Former students from 64 helped found team 1011 and are currently working with team 1492.
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

This could get really weird if you add in mentor travels and other FIRST related organizations because you get some craziness happening like circular references and younger teams influencing older team.

177-229-177
151-229-148-177
175-177-228
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177 - 10 year absence - 3125

If you look at the teams you can see the influences of these un-named mentors going from team to team, but you can also see overall progressions for each team advancing toward certain styles of design and play for the games.

The craziest family tree would be to that of The Blue Alliance.

177, 195, 20, etc.. all added to the cause initially.
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Re: An FRC Family Tree...

I'm not sure about our teams beginning...the only story that almost every team member knows about our beginning is how we got out team color and eventual name.

I'd be interested to find that out and also if any other teams had a hand in our beginning. I think I'll ask the next time I see a mentor.
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You're welcome. I wasn't there for it, but Mrs. P always makes sure to keep up on how your team is doing.

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