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Clowns or Announcers?

Watching a few regionals online today and I've got to wonder what some of the announcers/MCs are thinking in putting their costumes together.

I have nothing against the occasional Hawaiian shirt, sports jersey, or colored hair. It's all part of the spirit of the event, but I'm seeing one guy in a Silver Lab Coat, a big floppy hat, silly sunglasses, pants rolled up to show his colorful knee-socks and purple canvas sneakers. He'd feel right at home with Barnum & Bailey.

And that's just one example.

This strikes me as a little condescending to our kids. Do they really think this is what they want to see at a competition? Our teams are made up of High School aged kids, young adults, not children. They are world-wise and sophisticated in 2010 and I doubt that they are impressed by such theatrics.

The best announcers are those with a real personality, not one they pull out of their closet. They know the FIRST program and the teams and share that knowledge with the audience as they do their job.

Am I the only one that feels slightly put off by the clown suits or is that really what everyone wants? Or is it just a case of some adults once again completely out of touch with young people?
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Re: Clowns or Announcers?

Being an annoucer for FIRST since 2006, I can say that at each competition I wear a different Hawaiian shirt, as well as spray paint my hair different colors.


Also, some differentiation has to be made from MC's and announcers. An announcer should be heard and not seen, so my dressing up is purely for my benefit and to make some of the volunteers smile.

The MC's on the other hand, are a completely different story. They are the face of the regional, and are meant to stand out to the crowd. Often times this involves wearing jewelery, a Hawaiian shirt or painting their hair.

Some of the things that you are describing could be coming from the teams themselves. Some teams don't have flags or banners to wear around, so they might give the MC a cape, a hat or the like. If that is the case the MC is simply doing to to give the teams some spirit. If they are wearing the things that you described out of their own ambition, then that is their flair they are trying to add to the competition.

However, I can't speak for all announcers or MC's in the organization. But it isn't an easy thing to keep an audience entertained for 2 days worth of competition.
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Re: Clowns or Announcers?

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Being an annoucer for FIRST since 2006, I can say that at each competition I wear a different Hawaiian shirt, as well as spray paint my hair different colors.


Also, some differentiation has to be made from MC's and announcers. An announcer should be heard and not seen, so my dressing up is purely for my benefit and to make some of the volunteers smile.
I wasn't sure of the correct term. If the announcer is the guy behind the scenes, then I am talking about the MC.
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The MC's on the other hand, are a completely different story. They are the face of the regional, and are meant to stand out to the crowd. Often times this involves wearing jewelery, a Hawaiian shirt or painting their hair.

Some of the things that you are describing could be coming from the teams themselves. Some teams don't have flags or banners to wear around, so they might give the MC a cape, a hat or the like. If that is the case the MC is simply doing to to give the teams some spirit. If they are wearing the things that you described out of their own ambition, then that is their flair they are trying to add to the competition.

However, I can't speak for all announcers or MC's in the organization. But it isn't an easy thing to keep an audience entertained for 2 days worth of competition.
No, I'm not talking about the hats and flags that teams bring out. And, again, I have nothing against the shirt/hair color, just going too over the top with it all. There's a point where it stops being a display of spirit and becomes a costume used to attract attention. It's demeaning to our students to imply that we need a clownish figure to keep their attention.

We have some great announcers and MCs who entertain and educate while doing their jobs, regardless of what they wear. I know a few whose knowledge of the teams and the game can only be described as encyclopedic. That's what I enjoy.
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Re: Clowns or Announcers?

The MC at Chesapeake put himself through college as a professional clown.

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We have some great announcers and MCs who entertain and educate while doing their jobs, regardless of what they wear.
This is perhaps the most pertinent point you made in your argument. Relax and let them have some fun.
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This strikes me as a little condescending to our kids. Do they really think this is what they want to see at a competition? Our teams are made up of High School aged kids, young adults, not children. They are world-wise and sophisticated in 2010 and I doubt that they are impressed by such theatrics.
I am far beyond high school, and I am indeed impressed by such theatrics. I know that my students enjoy it too. I've seen more than a few very reserved kids come out of their shells in response to the zany antics in front of them on the field.
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Or is it just a case of some adults once again completely out of touch with young people?
So far I'm only seeing one such adult.
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Re: Clowns or Announcers?

Personally, there is a certain aspect of being fun and having a good time and remaining professional. I don't see emcees at FLL events get all decked out like some FRC emcees do.
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Re: Clowns or Announcers?

its what a volunteer wants to do. its not illegal or dangerous in any way. Whats the problem?
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Personally, there is a certain aspect of being fun and having a good time and remaining professional. I don't see emcees at FLL events get all decked out like some FRC emcees do.
Often times at FTC and FLL events the MC keeps it low key because there is so much going on that there is little down time. With 6-10 tables at a typical competition, there is usually action continuously.

However, at FRC regionals/championships, there is a LOT of downtime between the matches, and as such the MC has to ramp it up a few levels otherwise it would just be the audience sitting back watching a person in another volunteer shirt.
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Re: Clowns or Announcers?

I guess that it is all one perception. I am one who wears colorful shirts and hair to match. I also do the exact same thing at FLL, FTC and VEX events. I don't do it because I want to be noticed (but I do get noticed) but rather to give the kids a little fun. Mine started with team 48 wanting to do my hair at Championships and just "flourished" from there. At most FIRST events when I don't do my hair then I can go virtually unrecognized for a long time.

The benefits of coloring hair brings a lot of questions especially when I am not at the arena. It gives me the chance to promote the event. At the event people seem to know that they can ask me questions and I will find the answers. When touring the pits I can be found by anyone looking for me.

I guess there is a limit but I have worn pink ears and pig tail at the same time as some fairy wings so I am not sure were that limit is. As an EMCEE my goal is to make teams feel good about themselves and promote them as much as I can. Would I come to an event like a clown? No but a parrot on steroids, maybe.
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Re: Clowns or Announcers?

Its all fun, I mean if there is a problem with the field, someones gotta entertain the crowd since they can last 5, 10, sometimes 15 mins. Plus after MCing for 3 days they gotta keep it interesting for them-selfs.
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Re: Clowns or Announcers?

^ (Well said.)

One measure of the inspiration that FIRST generates is the curious fact that, during the delays brought on by technical difficulties, team members of all ages frequently dance and shout with expressions of joy on their faces. Emcees and game announcers pump that inspiration.

Volunteers who have their heads down working hard to clear a technical problem REALLY appreciate other volunteers who, with their eye-catching attire and engaging vocals, are working just as hard to maintain the energy level.
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Re: Clowns or Announcers?

You mention the teams are made up of high school students, young adults. You are correct.

But FIRST is meant to be more than just for the teams. You realize that there are people in the public? Non-teammates? Young siblings, older parents, etc. I don't think it's condescending at all. A little fun never hurt anyone.
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Plain and simple, they're an eyesore that has annoyed me form day one.
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