The 469 auto

[Fennig247]

So just to undermine this for a quick second, but what would it take to just play defense on the other 2 robots? if they dont score at all? and you stop the few couple balls 469 shot in during autonomous when they slide down the bump, would that not keep everything in contact to win a match?

[Chris Hibner]

Originally Posted by Fennig247

So just to undermine this for a quick second, but what would it take to just play defense on the other 2 robots? if they dont score at all? and you stop the few couple balls 469 shot in during autonomous when they slide down the bump, would that not keep everything in contact to win a match?

I'm not 100% sure what you mean. If it's what I think you're saying, you can't defend both of the other robots since you're only allowed one defender in the opponent's offensive zone.

[Greg Marra]

Can someone clarify 469's strategy for those of us unfamiliar with their robot this year?

[rutzman]

Originally Posted by Chris Hibner

I'm not 100% sure what you mean. If it's what I think you're saying, you can't defend both of the other robots since you're only allowed one defender in the opponent's offensive zone.

I think what he means is to block one goal with your defensive robot and situate your midfield bot on top of the bump in such a way that they block the balls that roll off of 469's ramp.

While this strategy would be effective in shutting down the scoring loop, you would be playing 1v2 elsewhere on the field and 469 could decide to start moving around, which could result in 4-6 points from them and/or draw your defense away from the tower long enough to allow them to restart the scoring loop.

[BJC]

Originally Posted by Greg Marra

Can someone clarify 469's strategy for those of us unfamiliar with their robot this year?

For those who don't know 469 is this years game breaking robot.

Their stratagy is to sit under the bump and deflect balls directly from the ball return back into one of the goals. Theu can deflect into either and at Cass tech over the weekend they won a match 26-1.

We are currently figuring out how to beat them

Any ideas?

[JGurnow]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

In which case, you could have one defender in the zone and a second resting on the bump to stop transfers on one side.

Another robot can't physically get in the way on the bump. Their mechanism has maybe 3-4 inches of space below it and the top of the bump. You can't get into that position without causing physical damage to 469 which is against the spirit of FIRST.

I don't think you quite get that when 469 is in position the rest of the alliance is in the homezone. Only one needs to defend a robot. The other robot is there for clean up.

469 could traverse the bump without the tower on it. I am unsure, as are they, about whether they could go over without flipping now.

[BJC]

On the contrary I am very aware of this.

The only way to prevent a blowout is to lodge yourself at a 45 degree angle in the tunnel in auto.
Then even with crazy traction 469 will have a hard time pushing someone out of that position who also has traction because their isn't a good way to push them from.

That being said it doesn't really matter anyway because for the next two regionals their in their pretty much going to be with you (217) so Troy and the Michigan Champs are going to see the exact same thing Cass tech did.

You can call me a pessimist but I call them as I see them.

[johnr]

Ok, some team in their six hour window just needs to build a robot that is strong, fast and agile. Now all you have to do is stop their first attempt and play heads up defence, pestering them but keeping yourself b/t them and the tower.

[Chris Hibner]

Originally Posted by JGurnow

Another robot can't physically get in the way on the bump. Their mechanism has maybe 3-4 inches of space below it and the top of the bump. You can't get into that position without causing physical damage to 469 which is against the spirit of FIRST.

You could get there in autonomous by backing up a little bit, OR just do nothing in autonomous and back onto the bump as 469 unfolds their arms.

Originally Posted by rutzman

I think what he means is to block one goal with your defensive robot and situate your midfield bot on top of the bump in such a way that they block the balls that roll off of 469's ramp.

While this strategy would be effective in shutting down the scoring loop, you would be playing 1v2 elsewhere on the field and 469 could decide to start moving around, which could result in 4-6 points from them and/or draw your defense away from the tower long enough to allow them to restart the scoring loop.

What if 469 (or another team with similar capability) could also deflect balls straight ahead (in addition to directing them toward the goals). That would probably defeat that strategy as well.

[BJC]

But remember, they could push an elephant.

Oh well, at least teams will have a sort of fighting chance if someone lodges themselves under the tower before them.

[gorrilla]

Originally Posted by BJC

But remember, they could push an elephant.

Oh well, at least teams will have a sort of fighting chance if someone lodges themselves under the tower before them.

What if you had a small robot that could fit sideways in the tunnel?

Could someone post a picture of 469?

And I thought you were not allowed to cross the white line in auto?

[Chris Hibner]

Originally Posted by gorrilla

And I thought you were not allowed to cross the white line in auto?

You're not allowed to be ENTIRELY on the other side of the white line, but you're allowed to straddle it.

If it isn't obvious, I'm hooked on this thread. I need to shut off the laptop and do something useful.

[Chris is me]

Originally Posted by gorrilla

What if you had a small robot that could fit sideways in the tunnel?

Could someone post a picture of 469?

And I thought you were not allowed to cross the white line in auto?

You can't completely cross it, but you can partially cross it.

[BJC]

Originally Posted by Chris Hibner

You're not allowed to be ENTIRELY on the other side of the white line, but you're allowed to straddle it.

Correct considering 469 did it all Cass Tech without getting called I should hope its legal.

[roboraven15]

someone needs to copy their robot in a tiny 6 hour window and do the same on the other side lol good luck....