The 469 auto

[Chief Samwize]

Ball control will be key in the later matches. It will come down to who has the balls in which part of the field. An infinite loop is much less effective if there is nothing in the loop.

-Sam

[Clinton Bolinger]

Originally Posted by davidfv

I wonder if you get to the tower first will they still expand, hence a possibility of a penalty?

From what I can tell 469 does not expand until Teleoperated, therefore if they are not in position they will not expand and will not get a penalty.

-Clinton-

[Michael Corsetto]

Originally Posted by Hawiian Cadder

if a team with a kicker that recharged fast enough could sit in front of them, then they could just kick the balls out as soon as they were deflected out, our kicker has a recharge of 1.2 secs at min, 1.8 at max, so i don't think that would be too difficult to do.

Check 469's design, they have two chutes that point at either goal, and they can choose which chute the ball rolls down on the fly. Is your kicker foot 6 feet wide? Doubt it.

[Daniel_LaFleur]

Originally Posted by Hawiian Cadder

if a team with a kicker that recharged fast enough could sit in front of them, then they could just kick the balls out as soon as they were deflected out, our kicker has a recharge of 1.2 secs at min, 1.8 at max, so i don't think that would be too difficult to do.

Originally Posted by <G30-A>

a. BALL Interaction Volume – Solely for the purposes of interacting with a BALL, MECHANISMS that are below the BUMPER ZONE may extend up to the BUMPER PERIMETER, for a period not exceeding two seconds. After returning inside the FRAMER PERIMETER, such MECHANISMS are not permitted to re-extend beyond the FRAME PERIMETER for at least two seconds.

A kicker that cycles that fast will probably incur <G30> penalties.

Originally Posted by Michael Corsetto

Check 469's design, they have two chutes that point at either goal, and they can choose which chute the ball rolls down on the fly. Is your kicker foot 6 feet wide? Doubt it.

Originally Posted by <G45>

<G45> Active BALL control - ROBOTS may not control BALL direction with active MECHANISMS above the BUMPER ZONE. Violation: PENALTY.

469 cannot change direction of the ball, while the ball is on their chute or they will incur <G45> penalties as their chute will be considered active.

[Bjenks548]

Originally Posted by BJC

Now you got me curious... and trust me depending on how small it is, it'll be worth it.

Well, 548 won't do exactly what ExTexan and I would like to do... but we will still have a way to beat them.

[Ty Tremblay]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

469 cannot change direction of the ball, while the ball is on their chute or they will incur <G45> penalties as their chute will be considered active.

But 469 can decide where the balls go before they are in their chute. Which they do with quite some skill.

[45Auto]

Originally Posted by Daniel_LaFleur

A kicker that cycles that fast will probably incur <G30> penalties.

Only if it extends past the frame perimeter. As long as it stays within the frame perimeter you can cycle it as fast as you like. There are quite a few robots out there that keep the kicker within the frame perimeter and can clear the 3 balls out of the far zone on autonomous in 3 or 4 seconds as they drive forward. I don't remember any numbers off hand but you can see it in several clips on The Blue Alliance.

[45Auto]

Originally Posted by Bjenks548

Well, 548 won't do exactly what ExTexan and I would like to do... but we will still have a way to beat them.

Hopefully you'll have better luck against 469 with your secret strategy than you did against 51 ........

[Bjenks548]

Originally Posted by 45Auto

Hopefully you'll have better luck against 469 with your secret strategy than you did against 51 ........

Haha, we thought they were gunna have the same problems they had at kettering, aka a tilted hang. Our strategy with them was to hit them after they attached to the tower to make them hang sideways, and therefor a dead robot for the rest of the match. Turns out they fixed that problem. Also the way that 51 and 469 do the loop is very different and in my opinion 469 is much easier to block and much more worth it. 51 has a great robot even without doing the the loop. 469 has never had to play a match, there drivers are inexperieced (I'm guessing), they have a slow, one zone robot. 51 is actually my faviorite bot so far this season! I hope I am not underestimating 496, I am amazed at what they did this year and still think they have a great bot... but they are beatable.

[Huskie65]

Originally Posted by Bjenks548

51 has a great robot even without doing the the loop. 469 has never had to play a match, there drivers are inexperieced (I'm guessing), they have a slow, one zone robot. 51 is actually my faviorite bot so far this season! I hope I am not underestimating 469.

Thanks thats awsome to hear. We're very proud of our robot this year especially with the merger. As far as 469 goes I'm sure their drivers are more than up to the task of playing the game and we know they have a good kicker. There only weakness in that situation is they can't traverse the bump.

[Chris Hibner]

Originally Posted by Huskie65

There only weakness in that situation is they can't traverse the bump.

At least, that's what we think. I know for a fact that 469 has some tricks up their sleeve that they haven't shown yet. But then again, don't we all.

[Clinton Bolinger]

Originally Posted by Chris Hibner

At least, that's what we think. I know for a fact that 469 has some tricks up their sleeve that they haven't shown yet. But then again, don't we all.

Aye.

-Clinton-

[Sandee]

Originally Posted by Chris Hibner

At least, that's what we think. I know for a fact that 469 has some tricks up their sleeve that they haven't shown yet. But then again, don't we all.

That is what makes this competion FUN!

[ExTexan]

Hopefully you'll have better luck against 469 with your secret strategy than you did against 51 ........

Ouch....and oh so true. I still feel bad for 1025 and 3115, our Alliance partners and the teams that chose us. We had a role to play and didn't do it. We will never know if we had kept 51 from the tower like we were supposed to whether we could have defeated the HOT WINGS EXPRESS who beat all the other alliances but it still smarts!

But the sequel to "The Outsiders" was "That was Then and This is Now". We didn't have this strategy then but we do now. I personally saw our practice bot designed for it tonight and I am quite pleased!

BTW, rumor has it that 469 will show up without their diverting arrangement tomorrow and just play ball. Which they do quite well I understand. As do The Wings. I love the times before the games because everyone can trash talk....afterwards, to the victors go the spoils!

[Ken Patton]

Originally Posted by Bjenks548

a tilted hang

That was actually do to a mechanical problem, not something caused by "external forces." One of our cables was unhooked from the winch. We fixed it before the following match. We're pretty sure THAT won't happen again....

Daniel Ernst in his Detroit pictures has a great series of shots of you guys smacking us while we were lifting.