[FTC]: Possession of Rolling Goal Question

[pbesen]

In looking through the game manual, I don't actually see any rule that prevents the possession of the rolling goal. The only rule I see is <SG8> which prevents the "lifting, grasping or holding" of the rolling goals.

Q1. Is lifting, grasping or holding the same as possession?
Q2. Did I just miss the correct rule which prevents possession?

Thanks

[Joachim]

Originally Posted by pbesen

In looking through the game manual, I don't actually see any rule that prevents the possession of the rolling goal. The only rule I see is <SG8> which prevents the "lifting, grasping or holding" of the rolling goals.

Q1. Is lifting, grasping or holding the same as possession?
Q2. Did I just miss the correct rule which prevents possession?

Thanks

Answered in the official forum here:

http://ftcforum.usfirst.org/showthre...full=1#post135

Which says, in effect, that "lifting, grasping or holding" = "possession", or at least that "possession" is prohibited by <SG8>.


(This might be another example where actually updating the rule, or making a list of official rulings, would help, instead of relying on everyone catching every forum post.)

Update: a new post in the official forum has added the word "possessing" to the list of prohibited actions in <SG8>

Link: http://ftcforum.usfirst.org/showthre...full=1#post866

[normalmutant]

Just wanted to add:
I think the forums address the topics in question rather well, it just seems that it could be a hassle for teams to read through all of the posts. The referees at the qualifiers we've been to recently were clear on the rules and were willing to answer quick questions about them. Despite any confusion, teams will be able to get the rules from both the Q&A forum and the refs.

[PhilBot]

Based on our recent Q&A request, a single Q&A document will be made available to enable searching and printing to be performed more easilly.

It's here:

http://usfirst.org/uploadedFiles/Com.../FTC_Forum.pdf

Phil.

[RRLedford]

Does anyone know the exact outside diameter if the "four-Inch" PVC scoring tubes for the rolling goal? There seem to be two possible types of PVC that are called "four-inch". One is used for drain pipe and has a thinner wall, and the other is the heavier walled Schedule 40 pipe. The field build manual indicates that the caps which are screw-mounted onto the base of the rolling goal are the light weight, thinn-walled FLAT-ENDED DRAIN PIPE style of caps, but these do not accept the larger Sch 40 pipe. So we either have the wrong caps or the wrong pipe. Anyone know which is the right pipe and the correct OD?

-Dick Ledford

[Joachim]

Originally Posted by RRLedford

. Anyone know which is the right pipe and the correct OD?

I don't know the exact or nominal OD, but the thin-walled pipe is the correct one, based on its fit in the thin-walled caps, and its use in last year's game (the assembly documents say you can use the pipe from last year) and based on its use at the one official event where I volunteered so far this year.

[JesseK]

I can second the thin-walled PVC pipe as being used in official events.