Go to Post Lighten it up a little to bring it in under the 120 pound weight limit, and I think you will have something there! - dlavery [more]
Home
Go Back   Chief Delphi > FIRST > General Forum
CD-Media   CD-Spy  
portal register members calendar search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read FAQ rules

 
Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 29-01-2011, 16:34
EROCK EROCK is offline
Registered User
FRC #2450
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: MINNEAPOLIS!
Posts: 19
EROCK is an unknown quantity at this point
Minibot material madness

hello all... So for our minibot this year, we had 3 inch wheels machined out polycarbonate that hold the pole. They are about an inch thick... Is this legal? Or is there only a certain amount of polycarbonate we can use?


Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #2   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 29-01-2011, 16:38
Teched3 Teched3 is offline
Hodge1
FRC #0175 (BuzzRobotics)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 319
Teched3 has much to be proud ofTeched3 has much to be proud ofTeched3 has much to be proud ofTeched3 has much to be proud ofTeched3 has much to be proud ofTeched3 has much to be proud ofTeched3 has much to be proud ofTeched3 has much to be proud ofTeched3 has much to be proud of
Smile Re: Minibot material madness

It is allowed material, and the only limitations are size and weight.
__________________
Sweat the details
Why is there never enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it again!
Even if you're on the right track, if you sit still, you'll get run over!!!
Reply With Quote
  #3   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 29-01-2011, 17:12
Bob Steele's Avatar
Bob Steele Bob Steele is offline
On the RIBMEATS bandwagon....
AKA: Bob Steele
FRC #1983 (Skunk Works Robotics)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Rookie Year: 2002
Location: Seattle, Washington
Posts: 1,508
Bob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond reputeBob Steele has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Minibot material madness

The only limitations are the size and weight of the ENTIRE minibot... not the polycarbonate..
Sounds like a neat plan...

I bet they will look cool...

B
__________________
Raisbeck Aviation High School TEAM 1983 - Seattle, Washington
Las Vegas 07 WINNER w/ 1425/254...Seattle 08 WINNER w/ 2046/949.. Oregon 09 WINNER w/1318/2635..SEA 10 RCA ..Spokane 12 WINNER w/2122/4082 and RCA...Central Wa 13 WINNER w/1425/753..Seattle 13 WINNER w/948/492 & RCA ..Spokane 13 WINNER w/2471/4125.. Spokane 14 - DCA --Auburn 14 - WINNER w/1318/4960..District CMP 14 WINNER w/1318/2907, District CMA.. CMP 14 Newton Finalist w 971/341/3147 ... Auburn Mountainview 15 WINNER w/1318/3049 - Mt Vernon 15 WINNER w/1318/4654 - Philomath 15 WINNER w/955/847 -District CMP 15 WINNER w/955/2930 & District CMA -CMP Newton -Industrial Design Award

Reply With Quote
  #4   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-02-2011, 20:38
EROCK EROCK is offline
Registered User
FRC #2450
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: MINNEAPOLIS!
Posts: 19
EROCK is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Minibot material madness

Thank You much!
Reply With Quote
  #5   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-02-2011, 20:56
rocketeer1 rocketeer1 is offline
Registered User
FRC #2993
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Logan, Utah
Posts: 16
rocketeer1 is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Minibot material madness

What are people using for grip on custom minibot wheels?

I played around with surgical tubing and rubberbands today and they are clearly less grippy than the Tetrix wheel rubber.
Reply With Quote
  #6   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-02-2011, 22:09
WileyB-J's Avatar
WileyB-J WileyB-J is offline
4976 Georgetown Rebels
FRC #4976 (Rebels)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: Burlington, ON
Posts: 97
WileyB-J will become famous soon enoughWileyB-J will become famous soon enough
Re: Minibot material madness

Try <R92> P. Non-slip pad?
Reply With Quote
  #7   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-02-2011, 22:17
klmx30302's Avatar
klmx30302 klmx30302 is offline
Is ready for MAYHEM In Merrimack!
AKA: Kevin McCarthy
FRC #0166 (Chop Shop)
Team Role: Mechanical
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Merrimack,NH
Posts: 221
klmx30302 is a jewel in the roughklmx30302 is a jewel in the roughklmx30302 is a jewel in the rough
Re: Minibot material madness

Our team was also pursuing lexan wheels for our minibot. however were having trouble finding appropriate non slip pads. they are either: 1. too expensive, 2. not big enough, 3. will need replacing every 1-2 matches, 4. or is exactly what we need but labeled non slip roll instead of non slip pad.
We got really frustrated when we ran into #4, we found really grippy stuff but it comes on a 8 inch by 6.5 foot roll so we don't think it exactly qualifies as a "pad".
__________________
Unofficial Team 166 Videographer
Our team motto...
"THINK!, There must be a harder way!"


Reply With Quote
  #8   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-02-2011, 22:23
nitneylion452's Avatar
nitneylion452 nitneylion452 is offline
Registered User
AKA: Joe Lee
FRC #3167 (Environmental Tectonics Crusaders)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Rookie Year: 2010
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 596
nitneylion452 has much to be proud ofnitneylion452 has much to be proud ofnitneylion452 has much to be proud ofnitneylion452 has much to be proud ofnitneylion452 has much to be proud ofnitneylion452 has much to be proud ofnitneylion452 has much to be proud ofnitneylion452 has much to be proud of
Re: Minibot material madness

Quote:
Originally Posted by klmx30302 View Post
Our team was also pursuing lexan wheels for our minibot. however were having trouble finding appropriate non slip pads. they are either: 1. too expensive, 2. not big enough, 3. will need replacing every 1-2 matches, 4. or is exactly what we need but labeled non slip roll instead of non slip pad.
We got really frustrated when we ran into #4, we found really grippy stuff but it comes on a 8 inch by 6.5 foot roll so we don't think it exactly qualifies as a "pad".
I've got a feeling that the GDC will rule in your favor for problem #4.
Reply With Quote
  #9   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 01-02-2011, 22:28
Unsung FIRST Hero
Al Skierkiewicz Al Skierkiewicz is offline
Broadcast Eng/Chief Robot Inspector
AKA: Big Al WFFA 2005
FRC #0111 (WildStang)
Team Role: Engineer
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Wheeling, IL
Posts: 10,766
Al Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond reputeAl Skierkiewicz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Minibot material madness

Kevin,
I am betting that since all non-slip pad starts as a non-slip roll, that your roll would qualify as legal. The Q&A would give the definitive answer.
__________________
Good Luck All. Learn something new, everyday!
Al
WB9UVJ
www.wildstang.org
________________________
Storming the Tower since 1996.
Reply With Quote
  #10   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-02-2011, 08:18
bearbot's Avatar
bearbot bearbot is offline
Registered User
FRC #2849 (ursa major)
Team Role: Alumni
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Rookie Year: 2008
Location: columbia,md
Posts: 220
bearbot is just really nicebearbot is just really nicebearbot is just really nicebearbot is just really nicebearbot is just really nice
Smile Re: Minibot material madness

can we use a yoyo as guided wheel to go up if its polycarb
Reply With Quote
  #11   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-02-2011, 09:01
Raul's Avatar Unsung FIRST Hero
Raul Raul is offline
Somewhat Useful Person
no team (Formerly - Wildstang)
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Greenville, TX
Posts: 599
Raul has a reputation beyond reputeRaul has a reputation beyond reputeRaul has a reputation beyond reputeRaul has a reputation beyond reputeRaul has a reputation beyond reputeRaul has a reputation beyond reputeRaul has a reputation beyond reputeRaul has a reputation beyond reputeRaul has a reputation beyond reputeRaul has a reputation beyond reputeRaul has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Minibot material madness

Quote:
Originally Posted by bearbot View Post
can we use a yoyo as guided wheel to go up if its polycarb
There are a lot of questions about what is allowed on the minibot. The rules are very simple:

On the hostbots, any COTS (commercial of the shelf) parts are allowed with some restrictions (look at rules R18 through R33).

On the minibot, there are much tighter restrictions. The list of allowed parts/ materials is in R92. However, COTS parts made of raw materials listed are not allowed, only the material in raw form for you to make parts from. A yoyo is not a raw piece of polycarb. It is a COTS part made of polycarb. Thus it is not allowed.

Simple - right? Just read the rules
__________________
Warning: this reply is just an approximation of what I meant to convey - engineers cannot possibly use just written words to express what they are thinking.

Last edited by Raul : 02-02-2011 at 09:03.
Reply With Quote
  #12   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-02-2011, 09:57
Alpha Beta's Avatar
Alpha Beta Alpha Beta is offline
Strategy, Scouting, and LabVIEW
AKA: Mr. Aaron Bailey
FRC #1986 (Team Titanium)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Lee's Summit, Missouri
Posts: 763
Alpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Minibot material madness

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raul View Post
On the minibot, there are much tighter restrictions. The list of allowed parts/ materials is in R92. However, COTS parts made of raw materials listed are not allowed, only the material in raw form for you to make parts from.

I believe Q&A clarified the use of polycarb here. http://forums.usfirst.org/showthread.php?t=16317

This seems to be much less restrictive than Raul mentioned above. I think the yo-yo is fine as long as it is made of polycarb, polycarb glue, non-metalic rope, and mechanical fastners. Use the whole thing if you want.
__________________
Regional Wins: 2016(KC), 2015(St. Louis, Queen City), 2014(Central Illinois, KC), 2013(Hub City, KC, Oklahoma City), 2012(KC, St. Louis), 2011(Colorado), 2010(North Star)
Regional Chairman's Award: 2014(Central Illinois), 2009(10,000 Lakes)
Engineering Inspiration: 2016(Smoky Mountain), 2012(Kansas City), 2011(Denver)
Dean's List Finalist 2016(Jacob S), 2014(Cameron L), 2013(Jay U), 2012(Laura S), 2011(Dominic A), 2010(Collin R)
Woodie Flowers Finalist 2013 (Aaron Bailey)
Championships: Sub-Division Champion (2016), Finalist (2013, 2010), Semifinalist (2014), Quaterfinalist (2015, 2012, 2011)
Other Official Awards: Gracious Professionalism (2013) Entrepreneurship (2013), Quality (2015, 2015, 2013), Engineering Excellence (Champs 2013, 2012), Website (2011), Industrial Design (Archimedes/Tesla 2016, 2016, 2015, Newton 2014, 2013, 2011), Innovation in Control (2014, Champs 2010, 2010, 2008, 2008), Imagery (2009), Regional Finalist (2016, 2015, 2008)

Last edited by Alpha Beta : 02-02-2011 at 09:58. Reason: Missing quote
Reply With Quote
  #13   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-02-2011, 13:19
dlavery's Avatar
dlavery dlavery is offline
Curmudgeon
FRC #0116 (Epsilon Delta)
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Rookie Year: 1996
Location: Herndon, VA
Posts: 3,176
dlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond reputedlavery has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Minibot material madness

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raul View Post
On the minibot, there are much tighter restrictions. The list of allowed parts/ materials is in R92. However, COTS parts made of raw materials listed are not allowed, only the material in raw form for you to make parts from. A yoyo is not a raw piece of polycarb. It is a COTS part made of polycarb. Thus it is not allowed.
Raul -

Not to disagree, but I disagree. Rule <R92-F> states that polycarbonate can be used on the minibot. When questioned about this in the Q&A system, a clear answer has been provided: polycarbonate of any form, regardless of manufacturing process, shape, or composition. So I would take the point of view that a piece of polycarbonate is a pice of polycarbonate is a piece of polycarbonate is just a rose by any other name. IMHO it doesn't matter if it sourced as a "raw stock" shape or as a part/all of some larger COTS item.

-dave


.
__________________
"I know what you're thinking, punk," hissed Wordy Harry to his new editor, "you're thinking, 'Did he use six superfluous adjectives or only five?' - and to tell the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement; but being as this is English, the most powerful language in the world, whose subtle nuances will blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' - well do you, punk?"
- Stuart Vasepuru, 2006 Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest



My OTHER CAR is still on Mars!!!
Reply With Quote
  #14   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-02-2011, 13:50
BaldGuy BaldGuy is offline
Registered User
AKA: Harry
FRC #1518 (Palmyra-Macedon Raiders; previously known as Ulterior Motive)
Team Role: Mentor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Rookie Year: 2005
Location: Macedon,NY
Posts: 21
BaldGuy is an unknown quantity at this point
Re: Minibot material madness

I that logic holds then you can buy aluminum pinions, and gears in various sizes with a set screw (HW is allowed), so as long as I can by the shape or form I can use it...Is htat what we are saying....?? Or do we have to make them out of alluminum we purchase (which would seem like a waste of time and money clearly not what the GDC intended)
__________________
2007 FLR- Finalist (with 340 & 354)
2011 FLR Champions (with 217 & 2056)
Reply With Quote
  #15   Spotlight this post!  
Unread 02-02-2011, 13:56
Alpha Beta's Avatar
Alpha Beta Alpha Beta is offline
Strategy, Scouting, and LabVIEW
AKA: Mr. Aaron Bailey
FRC #1986 (Team Titanium)
Team Role: Coach
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Rookie Year: 2007
Location: Lee's Summit, Missouri
Posts: 763
Alpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond reputeAlpha Beta has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Minibot material madness

Quote:
Originally Posted by BaldGuy View Post
I that logic holds then you can buy aluminum pinions, and gears in various sizes with a set screw (HW is allowed), so as long as I can by the shape or form I can use it...Is htat what we are saying....?? Or do we have to make them out of alluminum we purchase (which would seem like a waste of time and money clearly not what the GDC intended)
The rule for aluminum is much more restrictive. You can have your set screw, but not your pinion and gears.

<R92> H. Raw aluminum welding rod, sheet, 90° angle, u-channel, tube, bar that is not sold in pre-perforated or pre-punched form.

Unless they are TETRIX gears.
__________________
Regional Wins: 2016(KC), 2015(St. Louis, Queen City), 2014(Central Illinois, KC), 2013(Hub City, KC, Oklahoma City), 2012(KC, St. Louis), 2011(Colorado), 2010(North Star)
Regional Chairman's Award: 2014(Central Illinois), 2009(10,000 Lakes)
Engineering Inspiration: 2016(Smoky Mountain), 2012(Kansas City), 2011(Denver)
Dean's List Finalist 2016(Jacob S), 2014(Cameron L), 2013(Jay U), 2012(Laura S), 2011(Dominic A), 2010(Collin R)
Woodie Flowers Finalist 2013 (Aaron Bailey)
Championships: Sub-Division Champion (2016), Finalist (2013, 2010), Semifinalist (2014), Quaterfinalist (2015, 2012, 2011)
Other Official Awards: Gracious Professionalism (2013) Entrepreneurship (2013), Quality (2015, 2015, 2013), Engineering Excellence (Champs 2013, 2012), Website (2011), Industrial Design (Archimedes/Tesla 2016, 2016, 2015, Newton 2014, 2013, 2011), Innovation in Control (2014, Champs 2010, 2010, 2008, 2008), Imagery (2009), Regional Finalist (2016, 2015, 2008)

Last edited by Alpha Beta : 02-02-2011 at 13:58. Reason: Allowed for TETRIX gears.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:28.

The Chief Delphi Forums are sponsored by Innovation First International, Inc.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Chief Delphi