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[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by BGiraud

Yes. There is an issue with including elims. The second alliance pick. As an example, 303 was a good enough scorer, but we (1676/2016/303) used them as a defender and they jumped from off the list to 10th on the list due to the alliance score in elims. Not really in the spirit of what you are trying to accomplish with this list.

Exactly .

Its just nice to see the evidence that elim rounds should not be used when evaluating teams stats as they are not a reflection of the team but the alliance. Also once I start calculating a teams contribution in each match, the best teams will really rise to the top, more so than they already have.

Again I only view my #1 pick as a ranked pick. Simply because 217 killed it in week 1, I can comfortably say they were the best. Everyone else should be looked at as a top 25 team, but not as #6 or #9...

It will be interesting to see how teams' second regionals go. I'm personally looking out for team 40 and 33, as they are the only teams i know of going for the double autonomous, with a reasonable chance of doing it.

[Chris is me]

I think using purely statistics to rank teams is kind of defeating the whole purpose of the website and polling. Just saying...

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by Chris is me

I think using purely statistics to rank teams is kind of defeating the whole purpose of the website and polling. Just saying...

Actually I agree...
But I am only one person, and I know people's opinions of robots will obviously rise to the top. I think numbers are a good place to start, and then based on that people should actually watch match videos and such. Unfortunately right now, most people can only vote based off the one or 2 regionals they watched in week 1. I'm simply trying to provide a basis for powerhouses that should be looked at .

[BGiraud]

Originally Posted by lineskier

Exactly .

Its just nice to see the evidence that elim rounds should not be used when evaluating teams stats as they are not a reflection of the team but the alliance. Also once I start calculating a teams contribution in each match, the best teams will really rise to the top, more so than they already have.

Again I only view my #1 pick as a ranked pick. Simply because 217 killed it in week 1, I can comfortably say they were the best. Everyone else should be looked at as a top 25 team, but not as #6 or #9...

I think there is value in the elims data to see what a good team can really do when put with other good teams, but not for the round 2 picks if that is possible. There was inflation, but also compression of the spread. That shows that the separation of the better teams might not be so much when playing at higher levels and team play is key.

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by BGiraud

I think there is value in the elims data to see what a good team can really do when put with other good teams, but not for the round 2 picks if that is possible. There was inflation, but also compression of the spread. That shows that the separation of the better teams might not be so much when playing at higher levels and team play is key.

Unfortunately, for me there's no easy way to do this. As a twitter post comes in, I update a running sum for a given team. Unfortunately the alliance selection is not posted to twitter. Maybe something they could add to the twitter feed next year. I'm still trying to get autonomous added to it too.

If they ordered the teams on the twitter feed based on alliance selections, then I could do this, however that is not the case this year.

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by lineskier

It will be interesting to see how teams' second regionals go. I'm personally looking out for team 40 and 33, as they are the only teams i know of going for the double autonomous, with a reasonable chance of doing it.

There are two other teams that pulled of a double autonomous... 326 and 148... and I wouldn't be surpised to see 1114, 111, 330 or 254 having one either..

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by nikeairmancurry

There are two other teams that pulled of a double autonomous... 326 and 148... and I wouldn't be surpised to see 1114, 111, 330 or 254 having one either..

Awesome! Yeah I don't think the limit factor on a double autonomous is programming, its actually fairly simple to code it up given the right sensors.

The limiting factor is having a very well designed robot. This is why I've always shot for the design requirement "Design for autonomous"... because if it can meet the goals of autonomous, its probably simple enough for the drivers to use quite well.

It's awesome to hear that so many of top 25 teams are getting there based on focusing on building great tube hangers, rather than great minibots. Also it seems teams who chose not to pick up from the field (my team included) made a huge mistake. Is anyone aware of a top 25 team that can't pick up off the floor?

[nikeairmancurry]

Originally Posted by lineskier

Awesome! Yeah I don't think the limit factor on a double autonomous is programming, its actually fairly simple to code it up given the right sensors.

The limiting factor is having a very well designed robot. This is why I've always shot for the design requirement "Design for autonomous"... because if it can meet the goals of autonomous, its probably simple enough for the drivers to use quite well.

It's awesome to hear that so many of top 25 teams are getting there based on focusing on building great tube hangers, rather than great minibots. Also it seems teams who chose not to pick up from the field (my team included) made a huge mistake. Is anyone aware of a top 25 team that can't pick up off the floor?

From the week one regionals, if you couldn't pick up from the floor you were probably a runner and a late third pick during selection... Plus with so many tubes on the ground, I don't see you wouldn't... If I was on your team, I would consider changing to one if possible...

[V_Chip]

Originally Posted by lineskier

Awesome! Yeah I don't think the limit factor on a double autonomous is programming, its actually fairly simple to code it up given the right sensors.

The limiting factor is having a very well designed robot. This is why I've always shot for the design requirement "Design for autonomous"... because if it can meet the goals of autonomous, its probably simple enough for the drivers to use quite well.

It's awesome to hear that so many of top 25 teams are getting there based on focusing on building great tube hangers, rather than great minibots. Also it seems teams who chose not to pick up from the field (my team included) made a huge mistake. Is anyone aware of a top 25 team that can't pick up off the floor?

From what I saw, HYPER 69 was unable to pick up from the floor or preferred to obtain tubes from the feeder station.

Buzz Robotics 175 is able to pick up from the floor but prefers to be fed as well. We did not use the "flipper" at all during the competition.

We found it more effective to keep the floor clear of tubes in order to negate the opposing alliance from stealing the tubes we threw out.

[Adam Freeman]

Originally Posted by lineskier

one question... did you sit still for 5 qualifying matches or were they other types?
my numbers are based solely off qualifying matches.

Yes... 5 of our 6 Saturday morning matches resulted in limited or no robot operation.

When determining your top 25, I would suggest investigating the elimination matches also.

[mwtidd]

Originally Posted by Adam Freeman

Yes... 5 of our 6 Saturday morning matches resulted in limited or no robot operation.

When determining your top 25, I would suggest investigating the elimination matches also.

good call!

its interesting though, based solely off the qualifying matches, the top 9 all were finalists.
but they were truly in a league of their own.

my stat algorithms weren't intended for a top 25 kind of use. i just wanted to see how close they got to predicting finalists. obviously needs a little bit of work...