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View Poll Results: In your opinion, what claw design has been the most successful?
Roller Claw 76 75.25%
Grabber Claw 15 14.85%
Tube-inside Claw 3 2.97%
Entire tube manipulator 3 2.97%
Other 4 3.96%
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Most successful claw design?

I was wondering what all of you think are the most successful claw designs so far, in general. Unfortunately due to some serious code issues that 3175 experienced, I wasn't able to watch many of the Waterford regional matches, and see what worked there. However, other regionals may have had more different designs. So, what do you think? What claw most easily got the tubes up?
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Re: Most successful claw design?

Those roller-claws seem to be the best and most popular so far.
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Re: Most successful claw design?

In picking up tubes, it's fairly clear that roller claws are the most successful, especially when wide and near to the ground. For scoring, I can't say one specific type was especially impressive, though inside-tube manipulators and a few others (mainly those that hold tubes perpendicular to the ground) seemed generally successful.
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Re: Most successful claw design?

The rollers look like they have the potential to be the best when done right. However, I saw at least one team this weekend that made a bad one and it pretty much killed them. in that case a simple claw would have served them better.
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Re: Most successful claw design?

Pinch claw WITH rollers.
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Re: Most successful claw design?

Bionic Barons have the best I've seen in person. It's a REALLY wide roller claw. The big spatula rollers seem to be the best overall. Claws that ride parallel to and an inch above the ground have the best gathering capability.

Snappers, as I like to call them, are fast at picking up tubes, but slow to score. A robot with a jointed arm and a pinching action claw is what i'd call a snapper.

Rollers are a bit slower at collecting tubes, but are unmatched in scoring speed. Working rollers against one another to articulate tubes is probably the best design for a robot with a jointed arm.

Elevator robots with inside tube collectors are the other best design, but the two are hard to compare.
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Re: Most successful claw design?

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Rollers are a bit slower at collecting tubes
I beg to differ: www.vimeo.com/20350475
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Bionic Barons have the best I've seen in person. It's a REALLY wide roller claw. The big spatula rollers seem to be the best overall. Claws that ride parallel to and an inch above the ground have the best gathering capability.

Snappers, as I like to call them, are fast at picking up tubes, but slow to score. A robot with a jointed arm and a pinching action claw is what i'd call a snapper.

Rollers are a bit slower at collecting tubes, but are unmatched in scoring speed. Working rollers against one another to articulate tubes is probably the best design for a robot with a jointed arm.

Elevator robots with inside tube collectors are the other best design, but the two are hard to compare.
What I liked about roller claw pickup was that teams could run into a tube, then immediately move backwards. No driver expertise needed.

What I liked about claw and inside tube scorers is that they don't affect the tube when they let go. Roller claws must spit a tube out, which can cause bounce and possible descoring. Grabbers can just let go.

That said, successful pickup and scoring is possible with any general design concept.
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Re: Most successful claw design?

Roller claws appear to be the best by far at tube acquisition. What seperates the good roller claws from the great ones is how to spit the tubes out. With the smaller foot and no "stinger" it is much tougher this year to keep the tube on the rack than it was in '07.

Many of the best roller claws appear to attack this issue by using a pneumatics to open the jaws and release the tube instead of rolling it out.
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Re: Most successful claw design?

There are a lot of good roller claws out there, but I submit our pincher for your consideration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qEr4...eature=related

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No, but seriously I think the rollers were the best. But the rollers with an extending arm was the best combo.
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Many of the best roller claws appear to attack this issue by using a pneumatics to open the jaws and release the tube instead of rolling it out.
It appears 2337 is better than I, or the seeding system, gave us credit for...
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Re: Most successful claw design?

I think the best one was a wide spatula claw. It didnt look like they had rollers. Basically that had a top spatula claw that was pneumatically fired and had a botton hand that had four fingers made of lexan that grabbed the tubes. If you dont know who this is its 2137. Their hand worked very well and effictively. So yeah thought it was cool.
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