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Re: 2 motor drive VS 4 motor drive


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Unfortunately, the motor curves are all shown at 12V so it is difficult to estimate the real torque available when the voltage drops to 8V or so.
There's a simple-to-use motor calculator here which handles different voltages easily.

You can even enter a desired operating point (speed and torque) and it will tell you the voltage.



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Re: 2 motor drive VS 4 motor drive

Thanks to James for pointing out that I hadn't actually uploaded the version of the tool that generated those screenshots. It's up as "Version 3.0" now.

http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/papers/2469
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Re: 2 motor drive VS 4 motor drive

it all depends upon the application and drivetrain. we use mechanum drive, so we use 4 independent motors and gearboxes. we have used mechanum every year but '09, and we honestly have no problem w/ pushing power or inclines. we also have not had any chatter problems, although, in 2010, crossing the bumps took it's toll on the bot. we even managed to drive surprisingly well on 3 motors when a gearbox stripped out a pinion.
if your not gonna be pushing a whole lot, 2 motors will work fine. we use 2 motor RWD tank drive on our t-shirt cannon that is probably 50% heavier than a competition robot, and it works well.
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Re: 2 motor drive VS 4 motor drive


For students interested in the math, attached are the equations of motion1 and plots2 of distance, velocity, and acceleration vs time, for the 2 and the 4 CIM vehicles, at 73% and 100% drivetrain efficiency, assuming:
- assume constant 12V supply to the motors (not a good assumption, agreed)

- "speed loss constant" 100% (e.g. vehicle top speed corresponds to motor free speed. may not be a good assumption)

- motive force varies linearly with vehicle speed

- wheels are not traction limited
With the given assumptions, the equations of motion can be solved analytically to obtain a closed-form solution (no need for numerical integration).

1 http://maxima.sourceforge.net/

2 units converted to feet for plotting

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