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01-07-2012, 11:55 AM
 Ian Curtis Best Available Data FRC #1778 (Chill Out!) Team Role: Engineer Join Date: Feb 2005 Rookie Year: 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 2,519
YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Fourth time around! Include a breakdown, point-by-point, ball-by-ball, or just a number of the average alliance score. Mostly, this thread is so we can look back in eight weeks and realize how terribly wrong we were. Qualifying round is probably the most useful, but elimination scores are interesting to try and peg as well.

For your perusing pleasure, here's last year's thread: Predict the Average Match Score of 2011's Week 1 Regionals
And two years thread: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2010's Week 1 Regionals
And three years ago's thread: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2009's Week 1 Regionals

In 2011 excluding eliminations the average alliance scored about 34 points.
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#2
01-07-2012, 12:08 PM
 DMetalKong Registered User AKA: David K. no team Team Role: College Student Join Date: Jan 2008 Rookie Year: 2006 Location: Bridgewater Posts: 144
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Hybrid Mode

On average 1 ball in low hoop = 4 points

Teleop Mode

Time to cross field: 20 sec
Time to score: 5 sec
Total turnaround time: 30 sec
Points/turnaround: 2 points

Average points in teleop = 8

I do not expect to see balancing occur that often, and if it does the teleop score is probably a bit high to compensate.

Average week 1 score = 12 points
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01-07-2012, 03:39 PM
 ahollenbach Registered User AKA: Andrew FRC #0103 (Cybersonics) Team Role: Alumni Join Date: Nov 2010 Rookie Year: 2010 Location: Kintnersville Posts: 52
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Hybrid Mode
5 points (1 ball in middle hoop)

Teleop Mode
4X across the field, for 3*2points each (middle hoop for all three balls), but there will not always be 3 balls waiting, so
15 points for a fairly good robot
5 points from the other two robots in the alliance
10 points for one robot balancing

Average score: 35 points

Last edited by ahollenbach : 01-07-2012 at 03:40 PM. Reason: faulty reasoning :)
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01-07-2012, 03:42 PM
 sgreco Registered User AKA: Steven Greco FRC #2079 Team Role: Mechanical Join Date: Jan 2008 Rookie Year: 2007 Location: Millis Posts: 1,031
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

2079 estimated the average score to be around 16 week one. We estimate it will move up to 20 in later weeks and elims. We estimated the high score of the year to be 40.
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01-07-2012, 03:50 PM
 Karibou Steel is love. Steel is life. AKA: Kara Bakowski FRC #0341 (Miss Daisy) Team Role: Mentor Join Date: Dec 2007 Rookie Year: 2008 Location: Conshohocken, PA Posts: 1,840
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Since penalties add points to your opponent's score, I expect the scores to be a bit higher. Maybe around 20 points.
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#6
01-07-2012, 04:00 PM
 EricLeifermann Taking some personal time no team Team Role: Engineer Join Date: Jan 2007 Rookie Year: 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,012
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

sorry week one.... should read before i post..

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01-07-2012, 06:26 PM
 KrazyCarl92 Registered User AKA: Carl Springli FRC #5811 (The BONDS)(EWCP) Team Role: Mentor Join Date: Jan 2010 Rookie Year: 2010 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 519
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

15 without penalties, 20 including penalties
Remember, average score includes those plentiful times that 3 robots are placed on the field and maybe one has something figured out, sometimes none.
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01-07-2012, 06:42 PM
 Lil' Lavery TSIMFD AKA: Sean Lavery FRC #1712 (DAWGMA) Team Role: Mentor Join Date: Nov 2003 Rookie Year: 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 6,475
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Quote:
 Originally Posted by sgreco We estimated the high score of the year to be 40.
A high tier alliance could very well get 36 in hybrid alone, if not more.
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01-07-2012, 07:08 PM
 Tetraman FIRST on my mind AKA: Evan Raitt no team Team Role: Alumni Join Date: Mar 2006 Rookie Year: 2002 Location: Manchester, NH Posts: 1,322
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery A high tier alliance could very well get 36 in hybrid alone, if not more.
Totally agreed.

I'm guessing around 40 on the low end, 70 on the high end, so around 50 on the average for Week 1, and 80 during Elimination matches, with 110 being the high score.
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01-07-2012, 07:11 PM
 EricLeifermann Taking some personal time no team Team Role: Engineer Join Date: Jan 2007 Rookie Year: 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,012
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Tetraman Totally agreed. I'm guessing around 40 on the low end, 70 on the high end, so around 50 on the average for Week 1, and 80 during Elimination matches, with 110 being the high score.
I think 110 is pushing it because you have to rely on the other alliance to either score or put the balls back into play and your alliance get to them 1st. You also can only hold 3 balls at a time thats a max of 9 points at a time...
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01-07-2012, 07:20 PM
 Cyberphil That Guy AKA: Phil no team (Cybersonics) Team Role: Alumni Join Date: Feb 2008 Rookie Year: 2007 Location: Kintersville Posts: 749
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Since my guess from last year was way off, I will say somewhere around 20 average score on the first week, though I would have to mess with the ramps to see how difficult it will be to balance.
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01-07-2012, 07:22 PM
 Tetraman FIRST on my mind AKA: Evan Raitt no team Team Role: Alumni Join Date: Mar 2006 Rookie Year: 2002 Location: Manchester, NH Posts: 1,322
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Quote:
 Originally Posted by EricLeifermann I think 110 is pushing it because you have to rely on the other alliance to either score or put the balls back into play and your alliance get to them 1st. You also can only hold 3 balls at a time thats a max of 9 points at a time...
Each robot on the alliance scores each of their 2 balls held, plus one robot will go back to take the balls from a bridge and score. A total of 48 points right there.

Each robot on that alliance scores 5 balls each in Teleop. That's 15 points per robot, which is 45 points total from those. And scoring 15 balls all together can be a low amount.

Two robots on a bridge at the end scores a solid 20, or 40 for three robots during the Elims.

That's 113 points in Qualifications and 133 points in Eliminations. Take that and add the number of times your opponent fouled.

Oh 110+ is happening at least twice per regional event.
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Last edited by Tetraman : 01-07-2012 at 07:26 PM.
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01-07-2012, 07:24 PM
 EricLeifermann Taking some personal time no team Team Role: Engineer Join Date: Jan 2007 Rookie Year: 2001 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,012
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Tetraman Each robot on the alliance scores each of their 2 balls held, plus one robot will go back to take the balls from a bridge and score. A total of 48 points right there. Each robot on that alliance scores 5 balls each in Teleop. That's 15 points per robot, which is 45 points total from those. Two robots on a bridge at the end scores a solid 20, or 40 for three robots during the Elims. That's 113 points in Qualifications and 133 points in Eliminations. Take that and add the number of times your opponent fouled. Oh 110+ is happening at least twice per regional event.
Im not saying it wont happen Im saying it wont happen in the 1st week.
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01-07-2012, 07:40 PM
 Cyberphil That Guy AKA: Phil no team (Cybersonics) Team Role: Alumni Join Date: Feb 2008 Rookie Year: 2007 Location: Kintersville Posts: 749
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Tetraman Each robot on the alliance scores each of their 2 balls held, plus one robot will go back to take the balls from a bridge and score. A total of 48 points right there. Each robot on that alliance scores 5 balls each in Teleop. That's 15 points per robot, which is 45 points total from those. And scoring 15 balls all together can be a low amount. Two robots on a bridge at the end scores a solid 20, or 40 for three robots during the Elims. That's 113 points in Qualifications and 133 points in Eliminations. Take that and add the number of times your opponent fouled. Oh 110+ is happening at least twice per regional event.
You are assuming every single ball will be placed into the top basket. Do you really think each robot on an alliance will be able to not just score on the top basket, but score 5 balls on that basket?

Also taking time into account, one alliance scoring 15 balls in the top basket in 2 minutes means each score is an average of 8 seconds including picking up the balls, getting to the basket, lining up, and scoring all while avoiding defense. Although that is possible, in a first week regional do you think most, if not any teams will be able to set up for a score in 8 seconds?

Taking into account the possibility of scoring 3 with one setup makes a lot more sense. 24 seconds to do all of that with a few seconds to score works out for me, but still not on the top basket.

I really love discussions like this! It really gets you a feel of how the game will hopefully workout (even though it almost never goes as expected).
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01-07-2012, 07:45 PM
 stingray27 Registered User AKA: Michael Ray FRC #0027 (Team RUSH) Team Role: Alumni Join Date: Mar 2011 Rookie Year: 2010 Location: Clarkston, MI Posts: 209
Re: YOU Predict the Average Match Score of 2012's Week 1 Regionals

I totally agree with Tetraman on the end of the year scores, Although i think the Avg score for 1st week will be 24. Everyone NEEDS to read the manual. If you haven't realized it yet, the bridges are CRUCIAL. Read 5.3.3 on. They will be determining your ranking seed and will be the most important part for the teams to focus on. Im guessing a 92 high score at the end of the year with a 55 high score after week 2. Definitely will be interesting.

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