Question: Championship Divisions

[eitang]

When are the Championship divisions published.

I can't wait to see who were up against.

[Chris Fultz]

Not until the week after all regionals and the Michigan Championship.

FIRST needs to allow all of those qualifying teams to register, and fill the field with waitlist teams.

[Joe Ross]

In 2002 through 2004 the divisions were released the Tuesday 9 days before the beginning of the championship. That ended up ranging anywhere from before the last regional ended (2003) to 10 days after the last regional ended (2002).

In 2005, the divisions were released on a Monday, 10 days before the beginning of the championship (9 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2006, the divisions were released on a Friday, 13 days before the beginning of the championship (13 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2007, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (4 days after the end of the last regionals).

In 2008, the divisions were released on a Wednesday, 8 days before the beginning of the championship (3 days after the end of the last regional).

[Magnechu]

What about match schedules? Are they released prior to the Championship or is it like the Regionals-you get it the day of?

[Fireworks 234]

Originally Posted by Magnechu

What about match schedules? Are they released prior to the Championship or is it like the Regionals-you get it the day of?

It's released during the Championship. Not prior, unfortunately.

[Nick Lawrence]

Well you'll just have to wait, Jenn.

Hah.

[The Lucas]

Ok, I'll open the can of worms. Where are the division prediction threads/TBA page?

Of course, any predictions are going to be horribly inaccurate because the Michigan State Championship is set to inject a guaranteed 18 new teams (in addition to the 25 already registered). These teams should have a variety of numbers that will really mess with the 1-2-3-4 scheme. Minnesota will have some impact as well, but those teams are largely high numbers and some are already registered (and they dont pass on the qualification like FiM). Plus, after all this is done there should still be wait list spots. On a side note, wait list teams did pretty well last year with an Einstein Finalist (348) and a Xerox Creativity award (1771).

Oh well it is fun to see the predictions anyway

[mtaman02]

Originally Posted by Magnechu

What about match schedules? Are they released prior to the Championship or is it like the Regionals-you get it the day of?

All match schedules are generated the afternoon / evening before the actual schedule taking affect. Wed. generates Thur. Matches, Thur generates Fri & Sat matches.

[EricLeifermann]

Originally Posted by The Lucas

Ok, I'll open the can of worms. Where are the division prediction threads/TBA page?

Of course, any predictions are going to be horribly inaccurate because the Michigan State Championship is set to inject a guaranteed 18 new teams (in addition to the 25 already registered). These teams should have a variety of numbers that will really mess with the 1-2-3-4 scheme. Minnesota will have some impact as well, but those teams are largely high numbers and some are already registered (and they dont pass on the qualification like FiM). Plus, after all this is done there should still be wait list spots. On a side note, wait list teams did pretty well last year with an Einstein Finalist (348) and a Xerox Creativity award (1771).

Oh well it is fun to see the predictions anyway

Its is not a guaranteed 18 new teams. 18 from the state championship will earn a spot to Atlanta, but some of them could be teams that have already registered.

[Koko Ed]

Originally Posted by The Lucas

Ok, I'll open the can of worms. Where are the division prediction threads/TBA page?

Of course, any predictions are going to be horribly inaccurate because the Michigan State Championship is set to inject a guaranteed 18 new teams (in addition to the 25 already registered). These teams should have a variety of numbers that will really mess with the 1-2-3-4 scheme. Minnesota will have some impact as well, but those teams are largely high numbers and some are already registered (and they dont pass on the qualification like FiM). Plus, after all this is done there should still be wait list spots. On a side note, wait list teams did pretty well last year with an Einstein Finalist (348) and a Xerox Creativity award (1771).

Oh well it is fun to see the predictions anyway

I've been busy so I didn't bother doing it this year.

[Tom Bottiglieri]

Here you go.
http://www.thebluealliance.net/cmp09/

[jennifer_1547]

no i dont want to wait ! i want to know like now

[sydney_1547]

i want ur profile picture

[jennifer_1547]

Originally Posted by Nick Lawrence

Well you'll just have to wait, Jenn.

Hah.

i dont have the patience to wait for the listings
i hateeee suspence

[The Lucas]

Originally Posted by EricLeifermann

Its is not a guaranteed 18 new teams. 18 from the state championship will earn a spot to Atlanta, but some of them could be teams that have already registered.

No, they rerun the rankings after the State Championship (multiplying by State Champ points by 4 to give it a 2/3 weight). If one of the teams that earns a qualifying spot for Champions is already registered or can't attend, they offer it to the next team in the ranking (making 18 guaranteed new spots). I am pretty sure this is how it works but I can't confirm because I can't access the Michigan Rules Supplement today (for some reason I get a 403 forbidden error).

I'm not complaining, the more qualified Michigan teams at Championship the better for the level of competition. A high number of points after 2 (3) District Events and State Championship is good enough credentials to me, better than wining some regionals. Even with those 18 teams, there were more a few MI teams at championships last year. I truly want the best level of competition at championship which is why it is a shame when good teams can't qualify (like 40, 330, 968, 1153, 1279, 1391, 2068, 2199 off the top of my head). Unfortunately, the Michigan point system cant be easily ported to regionals for a variety of reasons, and obviously we can't just subjectively pick team that are good but didnt win a regional.

None of that was really my point. I was just saying that those 18 teams MI teams (with their variety of numbers) make it difficult to predict divisions early, which is not actually important. MN teams tend to have high numbers (amazing growth in that area) so they will not shift divisions that much and some of the teams are registered already (like 79, 93) that cant pass off their qualification (goes to waitlist). There are 310 teams registered now and with 30 more qualifiers (18 MI + 12 MN) we can get up to 340 teams like last year without waitlist teams. If some wanted to, they could make some good predictions Sat night if there are no waitlist spots (no preregisters MN teams qualify) and they went through the FiM rankings to find who would be invited.