06-06-2012 13:43

Debbie

Re: paper: Team 33 Scouting Sheet 2012

Thanks for sharing!

06-06-2012 14:11

Ekcrbe

Re: paper: Team 33 Scouting Sheet 2012

How do you determine who scouts which matches? Do you have structured shifts or a minimum number of matches per person per event, or something else?

06-06-2012 16:35

IKE

Re: paper: Team 33 Scouting Sheet 2012

It has mostly been on a voluntary basis. We ask that students help and support the roles. At the District events this is usually not as big an issues as MSC and World championship due to the amount of distractions and good weather available. We did have some complaints this year about shifts being too long and some of the students not participating enough. We are discussing with our students on how to improve this. With the 7 students, if someone has to leave for an emergency, the lead scout is able to pick up the slack for a match or two.

Motivating students is a tricky subject, and often requires specialized solutions for each team. On our team we praise good behaviours publicly. This is more than just saying thanks guys for doing a good job. Being specific and discriminating about the behaviours that are praise worthy has had good results. I suspect that some of the issue we might have had in a couple minor areas were due to not applying proper emphasis and praise like we did the past couple previous years.

06-06-2012 21:19

Ekcrbe

Re: paper: Team 33 Scouting Sheet 2012

Thanks for the info. I know that last year our scouting program was disorganized and too subjective to realize its full potential. For that reason, this year was all about Data Driven Decisions, meaning no comments or opinions in the scouting sheets. I can't deny it worked well--it produced a pick list which allowed us to fairly accurately predict most of the first round of alliance selections and was quite remarkable for its reliability in predicting match scores--but well-organized comments might add that extra push to make up for the loss of our lead strategist when he decides to step down (he could only make it to the occasional meeting and our competitions this year). Looking into the future, I ask: How do you keep everyone's rankings, opinions, and comments consistent when there are categories that appear to be all in the eye of the beholder? Another point I noticed different from our sheets was that missed shots are segregated by target. How would one determine where a shot was intended when it is not clear? Also, how would one record an attempted high shot which misses and lands in the middle hoop for two points? Finally, if I may, how do you organize the sheets for each team so that they can all be found in a timely manner for each match?

Sorry for all the questions--especially the seemingly obvious ones--I just like this setup and want to understand it more thoroughly.

06-06-2012 22:16

IKE

Re: paper: Team 33 Scouting Sheet 2012

The lead scout reinserts them in numerical order after each match into a folder. This is pretty easy with the 6 sheets.

There are a lot of subjective categories on our sheets. Subjective stuff is less critical but good to have opinions on. If 7 out of 8 think the team looks slow, they are probably slow. If they get mostly 5s and 4s then they are pretty good on those categpries.

A made shot is a made shot. Even if it was intended to go elsewhere. These were quite few. In general, attempts were pretty easy to see what they were shooting on. The most important thing we found was point totals, followed by hybrid points, then shooting percentage, and... Some of these, you can figure out before hand. Some you figure out by watching closely.
In my opinion, the big things we missed were quantifying blocks of inbounders and we valued shooting position a bit low at an event.

Our system is far from perfect but works pretty good for us which is the main thing. Since we implemented this a few years ago, our win loss and seedings have been better, and the kids have much more realistic views of what good and average performances are.

07-06-2012 22:26

akoscielski3

Re: paper: Team 33 Scouting Sheet 2012

I liked the Idea Karthik and 1114 use with the Sim Bucks. Has anyone else done this?

If you didnt watch the video, 1114's scouters have Sim Bucks in which the students bet on robots that are in a match and try to make as much $ as possible. Its a great idea in My Opinion

07-06-2012 23:02

IKE

Re: paper: Team 33 Scouting Sheet 2012

I know at least one out of state team at MSC that was using this approach.