31-10-2004 20:34

Cory

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Wow... I was really pretty shocked by how many teams we lost in CA since last year.

Last year I believe we had 86 teams... and a slight lead over Michigan for the most in the nation.

This year we lost a whole bunch of veterans...

31-10-2004 21:40

Aignam

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Who has the most teams per state area? Good luck with that one...

31-10-2004 21:44

Wetzel

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Not Alaska.

Wetzel

31-10-2004 21:59

Alex Golec

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Top States:
1) Michigan (Still proud of my homestate)
2) New York
3) California
4) Virginia
5) Florida

Has Nebraska ever had a FIRST Team? New Mexico went from 4 teams last year to zero, and Minnesota hasn't had a team since 2003.

_Alex

31-10-2004 22:16

tkwetzel

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Land area only..or land and water area? I would guess New Jersey...but it could possibly be Connecticut.

And the winner is: Connecticut with one team for every 179.5 sq. mi.
New Jersey has a team for every 211.9 sq. mi.
(I did not calculate any other states, I just estimated to see that they were not even close to those two).

The harder one is who has the fewest teams per state area (except for the teams with 0)?

31-10-2004 22:46

Jessica Boucher

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I pulled numbers from here (first thing that came up on Google, and these numbers include water). If you count DC in this listing (even though they're not technically a state) has one team, and with a 68.25 square mileage, it sticks them at the top of the list.

That would be (in square mileage):
Alaska (164106.3), Montana (147046.0), Wyoming (97818.0), Utah (84904.0) & Tennessee (42146.0)

Attached is the sheet I threw together. If I had more time I'd have another sheet with numbers for the other countries and their administrative divisions, and then another sheet comparing densities on a country level.

See what happens when I procrastinate homework?!? I'm such a giant dork.

31-10-2004 23:35

Allison K

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If the entire population of each state was on a FIRST team...

The Smallest Teams
West Virginia - 34120 people/team
New Hampshire - 51491 people/team
Michigan - 111668 people/team


The Largest Teams
Tennessee - 5689283 people/team
Kentucky - 4041769 people/team
Virginia - 2359505 people/team

01-11-2004 16:27

Alex Golec

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Michigan is up to 90 with the addition of Albion (1313/1614)
California up to 71.

What state had the most teams last year?

_Alex

01-11-2004 17:04

Cory

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Im almost 100% sure CA had a few teans more than Michigan for the lead.

01-11-2004 17:10

Astronouth7303

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Maybe MI, NY, and CA should each send a team to AZ NM, Nebraska, and MN. [edit: I'm so glad I live in the midwest. I knew it was one of the two!]

01-11-2004 17:13

Cory

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AZ has 11 FIRST teams... that'd be New Mexico, Nebraska, and Minnesota

01-11-2004 17:18

Bill Gold

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Not necessarily connected to this, but it's something that has bugged me for a couple years...

<rant>
I'm not sure if it was 2001 or 2002 (I think it was 2002) where California had over 100 teams... but many teams have had to drop out due to lack of funding in the stagnant and/or declining economy, and a handful of teams had to drop out due to lack of school support. I believe strongly that this huge amount of teams (100+) in California was part of, what I thought, was a well intentioned but not well thought out "mentorship grant" and "rookie grants" by companies like KPC&B. This encouraged veterans to start up many rookie teams, whose funding was eventually competed for by more successful veteran teams and after their eligibility for KPC&B Rookie Grants dried up, so did the rest of their potential sponsors. It's a noble goal to increase the number of teams in the country and in the world, but it's counterproductive to encourage the formation of 25+ teams in a state where, economically, they can't compete for ample funding to sustain themselves after their 2 year window for "rookie grants" runs out. Those teams can't be sustained until the economy picks up over here and companies like Applied Materials can start financially sponsor multiple teams (or even a single team for that matter) again.
</rant>

01-11-2004 17:46

Cory

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Doesn't help that darn near everyone lost their NASA sponsorship after 2000 in CA

01-11-2004 18:05

Bill Gold

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I picked out the KPC&B grants specifically because of their "mentorship" grants. This encouraged veteran teams who wanted an extra $2,500 to recruit a team (or if they wanted $5,000, they'd recruit 2 rookies, or for $7,500 they could recruit 3, etc.) that could be entirely paid for by the KPC&B “Rookie Grant” ($6,000), and then just ditch that 2nd year team the following year, leaving them to fend for themselves. Then, their 3rd year this team, while usually hanging on by the skin of their teeth (if they’re still in existence), they’re forced to fight an uphill battle for corporate sponsors or other lower level sponsors (especially in stagnant / declining economy) with the established veteran teams who started them up in the first place. This happened to 20 teams that I know of, and, no doubt, to countless others. I think that encouraging this environment is wrong, and counterproductive to FIRST’s interests.

The NASA grants didn’t give veteran teams the financial incentive to recruit rookies. This is what differentiates the KPC&B grants from other “rookies only” grants, and imho made the KPC&B grants a net loss for FIRST, while the NASA grants, relatively speaking, had a better success rate for starting sustainable teams.

01-11-2004 18:32

MrToast

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Amazing! There are 3 teams in 'Lil Rhodey this year! I had heard something about this happening, but I didn't hear any confirmation? Who's the third team?

Yay for Rhode Island!

MrToast

28-04-2005 22:25

DarkJedi613

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Three Teams from RI

28-04-2005 23:04

#1Transgirl1140

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I remember at the ending cerimonies this year someone said that California has the most teams with 99 or something like that and Michigan is in second with 96 or so teams.

I think Michigan will surpass California in the number of teams next year. We have the big three here and therefor we have alot of engineeers. That's also why a michigan team usually wins the Championship or becomes finalist. This is all in my opinion though.

I love my home state!!!!

29-04-2005 01:53

tkwetzel

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I have to respectfully disagree. I believe that California will be able to grow more than Michigan in terms of number of teams. Michigan is already pretty saturated with FIRST teams while California has much more room to grow and expand to. Also, I don't believe that the big three help Michigan teams get to the finals. I believe Michigan teams get there because there are several great teams in Michigan and that 1/10 of FIRST teams are located in Michigan, so on straight odds Michigan will do better as a state than most other states.

29-04-2005 02:06

Ali Ahmed

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I completely agree. We are located in the San Fernando Valley and there are about 10 high schools here and only 3 teams from here. Then there also is West Coast Collaborationz.

29-04-2005 02:16

sanddrag

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The map in the pic is largely out of date now. According to the map on FIRST's website there are 105 teams in California and 94 in Michigan. We win!

29-04-2005 05:23

Denman

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We UK people come in at 45... (will have to move the others down ) with 2 teams in 94525.002 sq miles... which is 1team / 47262.501 sq miles

29-04-2005 12:21

Mark Pierce

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I was very disappointed to hear that my brother's team could not find funding this year. Two years of NASA grants wasn't enough for a third year. They are meeting and doing other things and hope to come back in future years.

I've talked to several Michigan teams in similar straights ... getting sponsorship, teacher support, and mentors continues to be rough for many teams.

29-04-2005 16:24

tiffany34990

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isn't there like only 3 counties in Rhode Island???? all is well...

yay for Florida though!! we come in on the top 5!!! at least Florida is good for something...still 3rd dumbest state in education and i think we can vote...

eventually hopefully more teams out in those lonely 1 team states...

29-04-2005 17:15

slickguy2007

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I think we are missing the fact that their are still states with no teams at all!!!!! We have some work to do over the time between now and next season. This map is outdated so I might be wrong.


GO 1403!!!