12-12-2004 15:23

Bharat Nain

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

I'm Speechless!!!

12-12-2004 15:25

Corey Balint

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

What a pitiful try of imitating the real famous FIRST'ers.

Hehe, now I know how it feels to be mocked by legends.

12-12-2004 15:30

Arefin Bari

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

I see another Raul and Andy Baker.

Which two are the real ones?


Edit- i caught andy baker without a safety goggles!!! now what can we do about that?

12-12-2004 16:28

Kyle Love

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

Andy never wears safety glasses. He normally wears the side guards on his glasses...Arefin, Baker said no to you buying the ball drive .

12-12-2004 17:14

Dorienne

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

xD I'm gonna die laughing...They look so alike!!! =D The real Raul and Andy Baker are kind of positioned wrong in the picture. But okay. Still looks awesome! =D

12-12-2004 17:34

Rich Wong

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

OMG!

*pause... in confusion*

Looked back at origional "Real Raul and Andy" picture.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pi...gle&picid=8911

*pause... in more confusion*

Looked at new "Real Raul and Andy" picture.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/pics/bin/110287957342.jpg

*pause.... look back again.... and again... and again....and.... push brain to the limit....*

AHA.... it's obvious Dr. Watson.... the real "Raul and Andy" picture must be the picture with name tags and wearing real safety glasses. Only real UFH FIRST'er would wear proper shop attire.

12-12-2004 17:41

Rich Kressly

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

Writing the script for the FIRST Sitcom now...

Raul: "It's not that long of a drive Andy. I'm tired of those kids from Jersey thinking they are cool."

Andy: "Aw man, this whole living-legend WFA thing is getting way out of hand. I'd rather just take a nap and have those kids cited for stalking another day."

Raul: "Let's go Baker. Quit being a %$#&. Grab the helmet, get in the car, and get over here. The camera won't stay charged forever. You know you wanna drive a real robot anyway. How about two minutes behind the sticks of Wildstang 2003?"

Andy: "Throw in another two minutes with your 2004 machine, and I may even show up with a pair of AndyMark gearboxes."

Raul: "Deal."

Andy: "Be there in a few hours. We're pathetic, aren't we?"

Raul: "Sure are, but hey I'm getting some gearboxes so I'm cool with it."

12-12-2004 18:02

Corey Balint

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

Hey Kressly...YOUR NEXT!!!

I'd give Kloberg a heads up too.

12-12-2004 18:06

Dorienne

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

I'm thinking about being Amanda Morrison next year..hmm...

12-12-2004 20:17

Mike Schroeder

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

sorry baker, sorry raul, i think i would rather seen a picture of the 2 youngins than both of your ugly mugs

Think about it, 2 highschool kids dressing up as 2 engineers, instead of some basketball player or football player... it sounds too much like FIRST to me

12-12-2004 20:25

Rich Kressly

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

Oh man.
Striped hat and tye-dye are EASY scores.
Looking like me will require several beatings with the ugly stick....

12-12-2004 20:49

Madison

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

Actually, it sounds a bit too much like sports to me. It freaks me out.

It's easy and logical enough to want to emulate someone who's great at playing basketball or baseball or something like that. The rules don't change and, should you ever find yourself in a similar position as those whom you emulate, you'll likely do well.

Engineering is different. Nobody needs to reinvent the wheel. Nobody cares if another engineer comes along wearing work boots, jeans and an ugly denim shirt and creates a portable insulin pump. It's been done. The rules of the game have changed and you're trying to be just like someone who, while still relevant and useful, is also outdated and entrenched in old ideas.

I don't mean for Raul or Andy to take offense at this, as I am not trying to say that they're insignificant or irrelevant people. Rather, I see wasted potential in a whole bunch of students trying to be just like their mentors rather than striking out on their own, making their own discoveries and forming their own identities.

12-12-2004 20:52

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

all i gotta say is cuttttteeee!

12-12-2004 21:16

Wayne C.

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

I'm staying out of this----

WC

12-12-2004 21:28

Joe Ross

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

It may freak you out personally, but it is exactly what Dean wants.

You can read the rest courtesy of the Huskie Brigade: http://huskiebrigade.com/deanspeech.htm

I didn't see any indication that one day of "dress up" causes these students to want to emulate Andy and Raul down to their exact thought process and oudated ideas. Your conclusion does not follow from the couple of pictures and posts made (Non Sequitur argument).

12-12-2004 21:41

JVN

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder.
I see two students who using Andy and Raul as role models will potentially (good word, you can't spell potentially without potential) go into engineering. Now, just because young Corey looks up to Andy does it mean he's going to design stuff for Delphi? No.

Corey won't be reinventing the wheel. He'll be inventing the wheel's replacement. He'll be inventing the next insulin pump. He'll be designing the planes we'll be riding on. He'll be (I can't help myself) Raising the bar...

I dunno M, I just can't POSSIBLY fathom how you consider 2 young kids looking up to 2 engineers a bad thing. Like... what's the deal?

Having role models isn't a bad thing. In fact, it has been described as what this program is all about. Just because you have a role model doesn't mean you can't "form your own identity".

John

12-12-2004 21:43

Corey Balint

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

Darnit, all those years of hardwork for nothing. Maybe i can make a machine that flies...wait nevermind.

12-12-2004 22:00

Bharat Nain

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

Incase you all didn't know, Corey has this thing for flying machines since a long time. I am just naturally addicted to stuff like robots and machines. When I was a little, I used to take apart all my toys and try to understand how they work. Needless to say, my parents stopped buying me toys because I broke all of them. I cannot express my joy after joining the team. Working with actual robots is like a life-long dream come true to me and I look up to people like Andy Baker, Raul, JVN, Al Skierkiewicz, and engineers on our team and across FIRST as heroes who I can learn from. Without engineers, we would still be living like cavemen. I mean think about it, without engineers even operations(surgeries) would not be possible. That means engineers play a big role in saving man-kind. Anyways, best of luck building that flying machine Corey.

12-12-2004 22:07

Madison

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

I think it's a great thing. It's amazing and further absolute, undeniable proof that FIRST is succeeding.

I guess what bugs me is that I keep seeing kids say, "I am JVN" and instead, I want them to say, "I'll be better than JVN." I don't want for people to accept what they have now as the best there can be. I want to know that they're trying to do and be better.

I understand that it's probably implied that they'd all like to do something better than their role models and predecessors, though I wonder where that implication comes from. I'm sure it's something about the wiring in my head that makes it uncomfortable for me, and me alone, but I'd be happier seeing people saying, "I'll be like Amanda Morrison," rather than "I'll be Amanda Morrison." I'd just feel better knowing that the kids see that being like Andy and Raul and Amanda is admirable, but being them is redundant and stunted.

Edit: I'm sorry to have even shared my thoughts. I did not mean to ruin anyone's fun, nor imply that this wasn't positive. I just wanted to see if others thought the flattery could take a better path as I do, but apparently, they do not. It's not the first time it's happened.

12-12-2004 22:23

Al Skierkiewicz

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

The picture doesn't do them justice, you have to see them together, in person, for the full effect.


Everyone you meet will change your life forever. Even those you really dislike will allow you to point with pride and say "I don't want to be like him/her."

12-12-2004 22:25

Rich Wong

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

DITTO....

well.... there goes the fun & games before the Kickoff.

12-12-2004 22:33

Arefin Bari

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

I think i am going to dress up as JVN ... somebody want to tell me his attire?

12-12-2004 22:42

Joel J

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

Both the quoted post, and the one written earlier by you, M. Krass, I'd argue, are the two most unfounded, uncharacteristic, unobjective posts I have read this month. However, I could have just read them too quickly.
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In conclusion: you are jealous, get over it!

12-12-2004 22:44

JVN

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

Think:
Lazy, scruffy, slacker college kid.

You'll about hit the mark.

12-12-2004 22:47

Bharat Nain

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

What are you doing??? He's going to college next year.. but if by being lazy, scruffy, and by slacking off he can be someone like you, then why not..

[all in good humor]

12-12-2004 22:53

JVN

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

I was talking fashion, not work ethic.
Seriously... slacker is an image.

12-12-2004 23:25

Andy Baker

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

This is one of the more interesting threads seen in a while.

First of all, some background: 5 teams got together this past Saturday to play a few matches up at Wildstang HQ in Schaumburg, IL. It was an informal event that team 111 hosted with the intent to get teams together and have a bit of fun. Raul and I were the "refs" (more like just score-keepers) of the event. Raul even had a Wildstang-colored hard hat. Thanks to team 111 for hosting, and also thanks to Kyle Love (Kyle45) for instigating the whole thing (way to go, Kyle).

When Raul and I saw each other, both of us wanted to take a picture that mimicked Corey and Bharat's Holloween pic. Honestly, we were both flattered that they dressed up like that a few weeks ago.

Now, as for the comments by Krass. I understood the point and took it as this: Maddie wants students to strive to be better, and not to settle for what is already out there. Krass likes to stir the pot and discuss issues, and this is understood. Heck, I don't want kids making the same mistakes I make, or even doing the same exact things I do. I want them to do better. I also want them to see me as a person that does make mistakes and admits that these mistakes happen.

For me, I have many heroes. However, I really don't pick out one person and say "I want to be just like them". For instance, if I was a basketball player, I would not be able to sit here and say "I want to be like MJ". While Jordan was probably the best hoops player ever, he does other things that I don't want to emulate.

People need to be themselves, and be the best person they can be. They can look to heroes and role models for guidance, but they also need to realize that they are gifted in unique ways and they are simply not going to be just like anyone else. I like Maddie's suggestion of "I'll be better than XXX". This does raise the bar and keeps people striving to improve not only themselves, but also the standard.

Andy B.

12-12-2004 23:31

Bharat Nain

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

The only reason we did that was to make everyone laugh. Corey, Big Mike[mixture of his idea] I are just the kinda people that love to joke and play around all the time. I'm glad it made you guys laugh.

13-12-2004 07:39

Al Skierkiewicz

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

I am still laughing.

13-12-2004 08:14

Rich Kressly

Re: pic: The real Raul & Andy

I've been laughing since I saw you two guys at Brunswick Eruption dressed like these guys. And I really laughed when Raul gave me an opportunity to pick on Andy a little bit when he uploaded the picture.

I do agree with Andy about the "single hero" thing. If we're talking basketball, I'd like to be a combination of MJ, Grant Hill, and Bill Bradley. If we're talking engineers the list is long, but includes Andy, Raul, and my father. If we're talking entertainers, I'm partial to those guys in minor league baseball that slingshot hotdogs to spectators.

Have fun everybody.