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By: Chris_Elston
New: 02-23-2005 11:34 AM
Updated: 02-23-2005 11:34 AM
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This is a final picture of our robot.
We would like to thank Jerry Smyth and Mike Smyth (father and son) engineering mentors that taught not only the kids but other "sparky" engineering type people like myself how to construct a robot using monocoque. If you don't know monocoque is:
Monocoque is a French word meaning "single shell." Commonly used in aircraft structures in which the outer skin carries all or most of the torsional and bending stresses.
Jerry is a former navy aviator that designed airplanes back in the 60's.
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02-23-2005 11:56 AM
Josh Hambright
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WOWIE!!!
Very cool. OKay another reason why i cant wait for Boilermaker regional, reason number 867: To check this robot out in person.
Amazing, truely amazing looking.
Great job!
02-23-2005 12:14 PM
Ryan Foley
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That has to be one of the coolest looking robots I have ever seen.
Great job guys!
Any chance of a white paper on the monocoque construction method at some point?
02-23-2005 12:18 PM
Chris_Elston
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In the summer time, I'll see what I can do to convince the team members to write up something.
Since the photo comments did not post in the forum here is what I said when I posted the picture:
QUOTE again:
"We would like to thank Jerry Smyth and Mike Smyth (father and son) engineering mentors that taught not only the kids but other "sparky" engineering type people like myself how to construct a robot using monocoque. If you don't know monocoque is:
Monocoque is a French word meaning "single shell." Commonly used in aircraft structures in which the outer skin carries all or most of the torsional and bending stresses.
Jerry is a former navy aviator that designed airplanes back in the 60's."
02-23-2005 12:32 PM
CHAOTICBRET
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that robot looks incredible!!... you have a really talented group of kids
02-23-2005 12:41 PM
JohnBoucher
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Way cool. Congrats to all.
Now is that the starting position, or a traveling position. It appears in the picture to be too long.
02-23-2005 12:47 PM
Chris_Elston
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Originally Posted by JohnBoucher
Way cool. Congrats to all.
Now is that the starting position, or a traveling position. It appears in the picture to be too long. |
That's the traveling position. Really the arm will be UP most all the time. That position was just for a picture POSE.. ;-)
We have a few more picture here:
http://www.teamthrust.us/docs/2005/Pictures/final/
Sorry our Gallery on our website is broken...
02-23-2005 01:21 PM
Raul
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NICE! This has to be one of the finest looking robots I have seen in my 10 years in FIRST.
02-23-2005 01:35 PM
jparkteach
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That is a very nice robot! I'll look forward seeing it in action at the competitions. And would love to meet with you and your mentors in person.
JOHN
02-23-2005 02:02 PM
JohnBoucher
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Originally Posted by chakorules
That's the traveling position. Really the arm will be UP most all the time. That position was just for a picture POSE.. ;-)
We have a few more picture here: http://www.teamthrust.us/docs/2005/Pictures/final/ Sorry our Gallery on our website is broken... |
Cool
Very Cool
02-23-2005 02:12 PM
Stu Bloom
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That is certainly one beautiful machine, more like what I would expect to see in BattleBots rather than FIRST 
Very nice - but I must say I'm NOT looking forward to competing against you in Lafayette!! 
02-23-2005 02:49 PM
ebmonon36
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Absolutly beautiful. As everyone else has said, I cant wait to see this at the Boilermaker Regional. How many pop rivets are on that thing? 
Eric
02-23-2005 03:06 PM
Wayne Doenges
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This is why I asked for the use of the Wind Tunnel 
We have one student whose only job is to clean and polish our robot
Chris, I didn't make the final build day, what is the all up weight?
The arm only weighs 23 pounds with a cylinder that can produce 150 pounds of lift. Between matches we will be launching items into the stands
The shipping and starting position is with the arm in it's full up position. This fits into the 28"x38"x60" box with some wiggle room. Bot is roughly 27"x37".
We have a 11' ish reach
See you all at the Boilermaker regional.
Wayne Doenegs
CAD Mentor
Lemmings non sumus
02-23-2005 03:22 PM
Chris_Elston
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Originally Posted by ebmonon36
How many pop rivets are on that thing?
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We can't tell you how many rivets. We are going to do a contest and make you guess at our PIT... see you there!
Wayne,
I am pretty sure we weighed in at 100lbs without the battery.
02-23-2005 05:11 PM
Goober!!!
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yes it is a really nice robot it is used for a robot and a movable "mirrior" so if any gals need a mirrior at the BoilerMaker regional come talk to me and you can really see your reflection!!! lol
02-23-2005 06:45 PM
Gabe Salas Jr.
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That is a neat design, almost looks as if it is a Surface-to-Air-Missile Launcher. Very sleek, and appropriate team name too! Good job.
02-24-2005 02:54 PM
Wayne Doenges
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SSSHHHHHH Just between you and me (don't tell anyone else) the Army is looking to incorporating this bad boy into their arsenal at the end of the season But you didn't hear it from me.
Just found out. Weight = 99 pounds It's the first time we have ever came in under weight. The Weight Watchers Diet (tm) really works 
Wayne Doenges
CAD Mentor
Lemmings non sumus
02-26-2005 05:59 PM
Curt Henderson
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If you think this robot looks good, you should see it run!
The arm extends and retracts flawlessly to 11+ feet, 2 speed pneumatic shift on the fly gear boxes and unlimited traction out of our $5 wheels.....What more could you ask for?
02-26-2005 06:53 PM
JamesBrown
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Wow I am extremly impressed, that is among the nicest robots I have seen (yes I know im a rookie competing but it isnt my first time seeing the competition). I was just wondering how tippy you are with the arm out? we were righ aroun 100 pounds on saturday and had to add balist (sp?) I was wondering if you had the same problem or if youre cg was low enough.
02-26-2005 08:56 PM
Curt Henderson
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As Mike, one of our design engineers mentioned, we can hold a Tetra with the arm fully extended without tipping. We haven't fully calculated the actual location of our CG, but the arm weighs in around 27 lbs and we have almost half of 110lbs about 4" off the floor. So in short, it is a Rock with plenty of Roll!
02-26-2005 09:03 PM
Alex Cormier
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what are these $5 wheels that you speak of?
02-26-2005 09:57 PM
Curt Henderson
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http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pi...10&quiet=Quiet
When it seems everyone trys to out do each other with fancy CNC milling, we go the other direction.
02-27-2005 10:36 AM
robotguy67
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Here's a picture of the robot holding a tetra with the arm fully extended. This is with no extra ballast weight in the back. With the arm in the up position fully extended, we could drive around all day with a tetra and not fall over.
[IMG]C:ROBOTSFIRST 2005ARM_EXT.JPG[/IMG]
As for the traction of the wheels, we had a 300lb-ish team member nealing on a chair with four small metal feet and the robot was able to fairly easily push the chair across the carpet (in low gear, of course).
Mike
02-27-2005 11:58 AM
Curt Henderson
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Here is a link to a photo of our bot with the arm extended.
http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/pi...10&quiet=Quiet
03-03-2005 03:43 PM
Conor Ryan
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Wow, probably going to be winner of best looking robot. Its too dang pretty. Hope you guys win Rookie All Star and come to the 'ship in Atlanta. I just love the style you gave the robot and the ingunity that went into it. I like the drive train set up you guys have, just from viewing the other pictures you put up.
03-03-2005 11:04 PM
Chris_Elston
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Originally Posted by cdr1122334455
Wow, probably going to be winner of best looking robot. Its too dang pretty. Hope you guys win Rookie All Star and come to the 'ship in Atlanta. I just love the style you gave the robot and the ingunity that went into it. I like the drive train set up you guys have, just from viewing the other pictures you put up.
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Thanks very much, but our team is NOT a rookie team. That wouldn't be possible. ;-) Good luck to you guys too!
03-04-2005 10:42 PM
fire chaser 134
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wow looks really good. it almost looks like a S.W.A.T robot. One that they would use to go into hostile situatuions. good job and good luck.
03-04-2005 11:43 PM
Conor Ryan
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Originally Posted by chakorules
Thanks very much, but our team is NOT a rookie team. That wouldn't be possible. ;-) Good luck to you guys too!
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03-05-2005 12:34 AM
Wayne Doenges
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Due to circumstances beyond our control we had to get a new number. Since we have the same students, the same engineers and the same school we have a rookie number but not a rookie status 
As for the monocoque robot we appreciate all the kind words
A little background about monocoque. Each rivet we use (1/8" diameter) has a shear strength of 200 pounds. Every 10 rivets equals 1 ton of shear strength Imagine a 5" square piece of .040" aluminum with 16 rivets around the border. Now imagine a wire connecting each rivet to the other 15 rivets and you will see where we get our durability. Those 16 rivets have a shear strength of 3200 pounds.
IMHO I think we have one bad boy robot
Wayne Doenges
Lemmings non sumus (We are not Lemmings)
03-05-2005 01:14 AM
Herbie698
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Where did you find the conveyer belt material? Great looking bot by the way.
03-05-2005 02:33 AM
Wayne Doenges
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The conveyor belt material, I think, was donated by the company of one of our parents. He works for a cardboard, I mean corrugated box manufacturer
With our 110 pound robot, TWO (2) wheel drive, we were able to push a 300+ pound man, sitting on a metal chair across the carpeting Can you say massive traction, I knew you could
Our bot will turn on a dime and give $.09 change
Wayne Doenges
Lemmings non sumus
03-05-2005 02:52 AM
Katy
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that is fantastic...
...what is your "shell" made of...can you tell us some more how it works?
03-05-2005 06:42 PM
Wayne Doenges
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The entire body and arms are .040" aluminum. The rear trunk lid is .090". There are two 1/8" steel plates that our uprights are bolted to. The uprights themselves are also .040" aluminum. There are NO bolts holding any of it together, only rivets.
When you bend aluminum around a form or into c-channels you increase the rigidity of the aluminum. You than rivet the pieces to each other or to sheets to get the maximum strength. I'm just the CAD mentor so I don't know the whole theory of monocoque assembly. I do know that the arm can withstand tremendous twisting or bending forces.
Hope this helps.
Wayne Doenges
Lemmings non sumus
03-06-2005 07:33 AM
Gasperini
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It's like a cross between a bird, a jet engine, and a toaster from the 1960's.
Well done. That is a sweet robot.
03-07-2005 12:55 AM
Katy
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The real thing I am not understanding is for that to work does it have to be always latched on to the frame? How do you get to things like electronics and to the battery? Do you have to drill out all those rivets and put new ones in?
03-07-2005 02:21 AM
Wayne Doenges
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If you look at the front of the robot you will see a piece of polycarbonate. This covers our electronics, compressor and air tanks.
In the center, between the two uprights, you will see our air bleeder and 12v on/off switch.
At the back you will see two black knobs. You remove the knobs and you can open our trunk That's where our battery is. We have plenty of trunk space to add weight if we need to
The lower chassis is made up of former, bulkheads and sheeting with rivets holding it all together.
Wayne Doenges
Lemmings non sumus
03-07-2005 02:26 AM
MrToast
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A few words came to mind when I saw that picture:
"Wow"
"Beautiful"
"Elegant"
"Simple"
It looks like you guys had the same attention to detail and functionality that I aim for when designing software interfaces. Incredible! That's a fantastic robot, and I hope I get the chance to see it in person!
Dave
03-10-2005 04:01 PM
Wayne Doenges
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| It's like a cross between a bird, a jet engine, and a toaster from the 1960's. |
The bird is a Hawk. We prey on little tetras
The jet engine look was taken from the SR-71. We are strong.
And if you look close enough you will see two slots for bread. We are still trying to debug the auto-butterer
Wayne Doenges
Lemmings non sumus
03-20-2005 08:41 AM
Wayne Doenges
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The final rivet count was...........1794.5
We didn't win any awards at the Boilermaker
Wayne Doenges
Lemmings non sumus
03-20-2005 01:35 PM
Goober!!!
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Originally Posted by Wayne Doenges
The final rivet count was...........1794.5
We didn't win any awards at the Boilermaker Wayne Doenges Lemmings non sumus |
03-20-2005 03:45 PM
roboticsguy1988
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Originally Posted by Goober!!!
We did win 2 awards one from the cybearcats for the best button award and we won the professional grade award!!!
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However its not about awards and winning, its about learning and having fun, and thats exactly what we did!!!
See you all at IRI, and if not there i will see the rest of you next year at the Boilermaker Regional.
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