20-06-2006 12:43

Lil' Lavery

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

Way to steal my thunder John, way to steal my thunder
Way cleaner and more compact than the modules I'm prototyping (mainly due to the custom-ness of the brackets).
A few questions though. What are the metal plates above the corner gears? How are the swerve modules rotated? Why omni-wheels?

20-06-2006 13:54

Nuttyman54

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

I wanted to know that as soon as i saw the pic. I'm gonna make a wild guess and say that it's possible to rotate the wheels to make it holonomic? that's the only reason i can think of.

20-06-2006 14:05

Pat McCarthy

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

Wow, very nice. You should work for VEX or something.
Oh, wait...

20-06-2006 14:12

Donut

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

Behold the power of Vex.

I'll join the chant; why omni-wheels?

20-06-2006 15:45

crazykid234

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

I too tried to do something like this, but I had a problem with the modules flexing to the sides. How did you avoid this?

20-06-2006 15:50

JVN

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

It is 2 omni-wheels, 2 traction wheels.
This means when it isn't swerving, it skid-steers smoothly.

The metal plates on top of the gears are used with a washer as part of a custom thrust bearing that the swerve module rotates on. This results in a high amount of module stability, while minimizing rotational friction.

For more pictures, and some videos:
http://www.vexlabs.com/video/swerve/

20-06-2006 19:47

Vexguy365

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

Way to go. I had a crab drive VEX 'bot that worked OK. All of the wheels weren't held in position tightly enough so they had a little wiggle.

20-06-2006 21:24

Alex Cormier

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

once again i am simply amazed at what you have made and what vex is capable of.

21-06-2006 09:05

Ben Piecuch

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

John,

I see that you used quite a few gears to increase the turning speed of the crab modules. I'm assuming that directly driving the modules was too slow? And, when you increased the speed (thereby decreasing the torque) you found that you required a 2nd motor to handle the job?

Very elegantly done. Between the two-speed, 9fps bot another student build, and now your crab-drive, I'm going to have to find something else to motivate little Art in this off-season!

Can we expect these "custom crab module plates" to be available anytime soon? Great job as usual, John!

BEN

21-06-2006 09:52

JVN

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

Ben,
The module steering is done with Vex servos. (This allows for a "no-programming" swerve drive.) These servos have LESS rotation than I wanted my wheels to have, so I geared them up (not to increase the speed, but to increase the range of motion). I used the large 84 tooth gears simply because it created an elegant package with a minimum of gearing. (The less reductions used to transmit the steering torque, the less slop your modules will have; using chain isn't an option, because the chain stretched too much.) Once I used the basic 84:60, I realized that was too much increase, so I did some preliminary slowing. (I broke the rule of never slowing something down, only to speed it up again).

The resulting steering ratio was:
60:36, then 84:60.


I think there may be a "swerve" kit available shortly.
Believe it or not, I don't just sit around playing with robots, this is a new product. I only hope there is some interest.

JV

21-06-2006 10:03

GeorgeTheEng

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

If you did get to "just sit around playing with robots", IFI would be receiving hundreds of resumes a day from FIRST alumi, mentors, and engineers (mine included probably).

That is a pretty impressive mechanism. It looks like it works well. My only comment would be that this begs for some sort of 90 deg gear transfer. When I watch the video I get a little concerned about the motors on the swerve drive when they swing outside the dimensions of the body. If they could be mounted above and transfer rotation through a bevel gear or something.

George

21-06-2006 13:29

Nuttyman54

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

I'm SOOOO getting one of those when it comes out!

21-06-2006 20:09

Lil' Lavery

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

Booo, we were gonna exploit the fact that there wasn't a swerve kit and teach teams how to build a swerve drive once we perfected ours, lol.

I'll post pics/vids of ours (built with standard parts) once we do some more testing. (The first version that we have now is purely to test the swerve module design itself, next we will have a semi-swerve drive built out of a single vex kit, then a full fledged crab drive).

21-06-2006 20:27

henryBsick

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

Is there any reason you placed the VEX robot controller on the the same side as the servos?

21-06-2006 22:11

JVN

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

To leave room on the other side for a fun little mechanism.

07-09-2006 21:08

SamC

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

Is it possible to see a picture of one of those gears/bearings up close?

07-09-2006 21:41

Ellery

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

John, I guess the truth is out you do play with robots all day long for work whether you admit it or not.

Nice job looks fun. But then again when you have all the Vx parts available at your finger tips skies the limit.

Ellery

07-09-2006 22:28

Richard Wallace

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

Some time has passed since this post. I don't see a swerve kit on the VexLabs site (yet). Is it possible that insufficient interest has been registered?

Do we need to start howling for these parts?

07-09-2006 22:46

Billfred

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

If so, I'd belt out a few howls. Swerving aside, I see plenty of options for such an item. (A turreting center-goal dumper would've been awesome for Half-Pipe Hustle, if you ask me. Suddenly, defense doesn't seem so bad.)

08-09-2006 00:35

SamC

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

[HOWL] I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN A SWERVE SET.[/HOWL]
would it include the necesary gears aswell?

08-09-2006 12:50

Billfred

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

A little birdie told me that the howling has been heard, but the what*, when, and how much are still being settled upon.

*You know, the pesky questions we never think about, like what exactly to put in the kit that you order from VexLabs. Motors? Wheels? Gears? Extra metal? All of that? None of it? Enough for one module? Two? Eight? Gee, it almost sounds like trying to design an FRC drivetrain.

08-09-2006 17:28

Lil' Lavery

Re: pic: Vex Swerve v3

A turret (of reasonable weight) can already be build with the standard kit. http://www.vexlabs.com/vex-robotics-gear-kit.shtml
The larger gears have wholes for bolting onto them. The FIRST Vex Challenge (or at least Half Pipe Hustle's) relatively small size requirement (particularly height) was really the biggest limiting factor in what you could build.
Honestly, I do hope for a vex swerve kit sooner or later, but I want to see what some individuals and teams create on their own, particularly during the FVC.