05-07-2006 17:46

Steve S.

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Made by EHaskins

05-07-2006 17:53

Morgan Gillespie

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

This violates the FIRST logo standards. Why not comply to said standards and just make it a square board (with slightly curved corners), and put the logo in large in the center with the grace space.

I am guessing this is for FIRSTopoly?

05-07-2006 18:08

Steve S.

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

We know that, whatever design we choose, will be pending upon approval from first.

05-07-2006 18:16

Michelle Celio

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

They also have to make sure that they don't cut off the (R) on the logo.

Imho, I don't think any modified logo would get approval from FIRST.

05-07-2006 18:22

JulieB

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Looks good I bet they're still working out the fine details, it is posted as "possible board design 1" not "finally board design"

05-07-2006 18:27

Michelle Celio

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Even if there is more of them to come, this one is still in violation.

Ok, here's an idea...keep it classic style.



Basically what I did was I got the logo from first, added two PX to the height and width, centered it and drew a one PX border, then i expanded the image to just a random dimension for the example, and drew in the rest of the border lines. I think it keeps the classic monopoly feel, with the FIRST logo within all rules, and it has a pretty-ish border.

Also, you might want to check with FIRST on the whole concept. I know if I had an organization and someone wanted to make a game that revolved around it, I wouldn't be the happiest person around. Just my two cents.

05-07-2006 19:47

EHaskins

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

My idea for this design was that it is changed enough to not infringe on any Hasbro/PB copyrights.

05-07-2006 19:55

Michelle Celio

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

I don't think Hasbro can copyright a square...

05-07-2006 20:00

Morgan Gillespie

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Your logo also violates the FLS by like 2 to 3 pixels on the side. I'm sure FIRST would let you slide 2 to 3 pixels on the grace space, I can post an image of how I test it if you would like. Not something to worry about, no one else will notice, but it bothered me...

05-07-2006 20:02

Michelle Celio

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

I threw this together in a minute or two. But the concept when done correctly wont violate the rules. It was just an example. Its not that I don't know my FIRST logo standards (I tend to actually inform people when they're wrong) I was just in a rush. The way I did it shouldn't of infringed on the logo rules but ok it did, have someone re-draw it correctly.

05-07-2006 20:04

Morgan Gillespie

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Wouldn't need much changing, just move the left side over a few pixels and fill in the empty spaces.

05-07-2006 20:20

Tim Arnold

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

I know I will get bad rep. for this, but I feel it needs to be said.

Look, sorry to be blunt here, but do we always have to be so anal retentive to the logo standards? I really think that FIRST just intended them as guidelines for teams so that their logo would not be abused. Same way in which the BSA copyright protects the scout uniform.

If FIRST was so restrictive and cautious about uses of it's logo, wouldn't it enforce the rules itself?

</Rant>
This dosn't represent the opinions of my team, school, yada yada yada...

05-07-2006 20:23

Morgan Gillespie

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

I believe FIRST trusts that based on gracious professionalism we we comply to the standards on our own free will. They should be fallowed when ever possible but it is not required under penalty of death. Yet with a project that you would want direct approval of FIRST you might want to comply to their rules before asking for their approval.

I also believe these standards are there in case FIRST is in a position when legal action must be taken if the logo is being used disrespectfully or illegally and the creator refuses to change it, they have the standards there set in stone.

05-07-2006 21:16

Cory

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Where would they find the manpower to do this?

It's understood that the rules are there to be followed. This is the entire concept of gracious professionalism--just because a rule can be broken with nobody knowing doesn't mean that it becomes OK, or you should do it.

05-07-2006 21:48

KenWittlief

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

its not FIRST that is being so picky, it is the government regulations regarding logos and trademarks.

A registered trademark is granted only on the exact copy that an organization submits on a form that says "THIS" is our logo or trademark.

The only thing you are allowed to alter on your registered trademark is the size and color variations (color / two tone / B&W...) to allow for printing technology variations.

If you think about this for a minute it will make sense. For example: for many years the trademark of Xerox was a stylized 'X'. Xerox cannot own the letter X, only the exact font and proportions and style of the specific one they submitted artwork for. If this were not the case then either:

1. you would not be able to use any english characters or words as a logo, because you would then own ALL variations of those characters or words or

2. everyone would have to get permission from Xerox to use the letter X in any printed form (because they would own every possible variation of the letter X !)

For these reasons any official use of the FIRST logo must conform exactly to the artwork that FIRST has registered (and provided to teams on their websites). If someone else makes a logo or trademark that is similar (but not the same) then its up to a judge to decide if they are infringing on the registered trademark.

If an organization does not adhere to the exact artwork of their trademarks, allowing their own organization or others to use variations of it, then they will lose all rights to it.

05-07-2006 21:50

Michelle Celio

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Ok, So back to FIRSTopoly. If you extend the lines to where they would be legal, I think that the shape change would be pretty cool.

05-07-2006 22:00

wsansewjs

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Please pardon me for being hasty, but I was wondering why some of the people are focusing on the making of a monopoly game for FIRST while there is THE original Monopoly game, and there are so many opportunities these people can use the time to focus on more higher priorities like website projects, team management preparation, community service, PROMOTE FIRST, and etc.

Come on guys! I am a mentor, and I have learned AND am still learning from the experience.

I suggests you not to sit around playing monopoly when you can play at a geek's sleepover or a party anytime.

GO do something to make the difference! All of the people I have met who are the first generation of FIRST told me that they have done so many illegal moves OR new moves that caused FIRST to change or add its own rules! Make FIRST trip out and show the organization that you need more challenge or tell them to bring the ultimate in.

That was my RAWR RANT and thanks for your cooperation. ^_^

-WJS

05-07-2006 22:23

Steve S.

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

1- seems to be a popular idea

2- puts programming skills to work

3- could be used as a fundraising tool for teams

05-07-2006 22:26

wsansewjs

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

You are better off getting more sponsors than doing fundraising. . .


-WJS

05-07-2006 22:30

anna~marie

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

I don't know, I kind of see it as a way to spread the word of FIRST and bring FIRSTers together.... along with above mentioned things

05-07-2006 23:57

Beth Sweet

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

The why? Because they want to do it and think it's fun.

In terms of the logo, approve or not, it's there and it's legal. Stop complaining and just follow it. If you don't like it, make a petition, I'm sure it's the most important thing that would be on their plates.

As a side note, if anyone intends to use something like this as a fundraiser, I'm guessing that FIRST would like to know that something using their logo, name, concept, etc. is being used to make money.

06-07-2006 00:14

Arefin Bari

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Steve,

I think you have read enough about the rule violation for the logo. So, I am not going to write about the same thing. perhaps... I will try to give you some suggestions.

... hats off to you for trying to create a game. I would like to play this game sometime. I think it was pointed out in this thread before that you would contact FIRST about using the logo, my suggestion would be, call FIRST asap, let them know what you are trying to do, show them the purpose of this and get it cleared up now, so we can resume a normal conversation about your game and give you our input. Good luck Steve.

06-07-2006 00:17

nehalita

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Hey Steve, I think the board looks cute. The legality of it isn't in my hands but mad props anyway.

06-07-2006 00:43

Dan Petrovic

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Count the teams that people who are partaking in this come from.

It isn't a competition, but it's something aside from a competition that can bring FIRST students from across the country to work together on something fun.

We can't spontaneously say to our friends across the country "Hey, let's play Monopoly sometime!"

It's not like we're spending all waking hours of the day working on this.

06-07-2006 09:25

KenWittlief

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

to live a balanced life you should spend about 1/3 rd of your time working

1/3 rd learning

and 1/3 rd of your time resting, relaxing, or playing (recreation).

if you sacrific one or more of these areas of your life then you will suffer, your life will literally be out of balance.

There is something unique about the way the human brain works. If you focus on one task continuously your mind often becomes deadlocked - your thinking gets stuck and you cant find answers or the solve the problem you are working on

but when you stop and take a break and go do something else then very often the answer you were looking for simply pops into your head.

It doesnt make any sense, but its true.

06-07-2006 17:40

Eugenia Gabrielov

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

OK, this is all fun and good emotionally guys, but let me comment on the board.

Now, I think the design is cute. Don't get me wrong.

But it is going to get crowded if it stays the way it is. Leave some space for prettiness sake - it can already be hard to crowd all of your hotels/houses into a neat little row in Monopoly - this board looks even more cramped. Space would not diminish your design - it would actually improve it, in my opinion.

06-07-2006 22:23

JulieB

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Very Good point!!
Although I think it would NEAT if it was shaped like the logo there would be hardly any room. It hard enough to play Monopoly with 2 people on the original board I couldn't several people on a smaller board with less space playing comfortably. (Thats my Opinion)

06-07-2006 23:17

Morgan Gillespie

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Why does this even have to be a modded monopoly? I am sure there is a monopoly computer game and it would be much easier to mod that version into a FIRSTopoly if you want, yet honestly I do not like the idea of FIRSTopoly. It shows things only those involved in FIRST would understand.
I think a game like LIFE where you start off as a Rookie team, and balance your team, robot, school and sponsors all the way to nationals. This would actually explain the process of FIRST and not limit it to one years game.

07-07-2006 09:23

nparikh

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

Never thought of that. That actually sounds like a pretty cool idea

08-07-2006 03:39

Alekat

Re: pic: Possible Board Design 1

I think Monopoly needs yet another board variation. Honestly, I think the novelty of it would wear off quickly. "I just want to call it boardwalk! 'Dean's Mansion just doesn't sound right."

So a unique FIRST game sounds much more appealing to me.