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By: Jeff Rodriguez
New: 08-01-2007 23:31
Updated: 08-01-2007 23:31
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I figured everyone would want to see if a robot could actually sit on a tube, so here it is. This is RAGE's 2005 robot sitting entirely on top of a ringer.
We're still not sure if this is legal (if the tubes are part of the field or not) but we wanted to see what the height would be. The lowest point of the robot is about 4.5" off the ground.
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08-01-2007 23:37
Fuzzy
Re: pic: Height on top of a tube
How heavy is that robot, and does it seem like the tube is going to burst if any more weight/pressure was added?
08-01-2007 23:43
Jeff Rodriguez
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy
How heavy is that robot, and does it seem like the tube is going to burst if any more weight/pressure was added?
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Could the tube support more weight? Probably.
Would I put more weight on the tube? No.
You don't want to risk popping the tube. As pictured, the tube didn't seem close to popping.
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Originally Posted by Alex Cormier
Aren't your wheels the lowest point on the robot? So what's the measurement from the wheels?
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Also, we used the 2005 robot because the base is very flat and distributes the weight of the robot fairly evenly across the tube.
08-01-2007 23:47
KTorak
Re: pic: Height on top of a tube
Do you plan on using this to score bonus points?
If so, I hate to say it, but Rule <G56> says ROBOTS in HOME ZONE - ROBOTS score bonus points at the end of the match if they are entirely in their HOME ZONE, not in contact with any element of the field (carpet, alliance station, goal etc.) and the lowest point of the ROBOT is higher than 4 inches and/or 10 inches above the carpeted field surface.
08-01-2007 23:51
Jeff Rodriguez
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Originally Posted by KTorak
Do you plan on using this to score bonus points?
If so, I hate to say it, but Rule <G56> says ROBOTS in HOME ZONE - ROBOTS score bonus points at the end of the match if they are entirely in their HOME ZONE, not in contact with any element of the field (carpet, alliance station, goal etc.) and the lowest point of the ROBOT is higher than 4 inches and/or 10 inches above the carpeted field surface. |
08-01-2007 23:52
Jonathan Norris
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I have a funny feeling that the GDC did not have this in mind when designing the game... Very interesting use of the field elements. But this also brings the question if the tubes will be filled up enough to carry the weight like that, and if the tube pops will you get a penalty?
09-01-2007 00:03
Meredith Rice
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Norris
I have a funny feeling that the GDC did not have this in mind when designing the game... Very interesting use of the field elements. But this also brings the question if the tubes will be filled up enough to carry the weight like that, and if the tube pops will you get a penalty?
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09-01-2007 00:13
ChuckDickerson
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If this were legal then it would be possible for all three robots on an alliance to be suspended at the same time. It is pretty clear by the scoring rules that this is not possible.
09-01-2007 00:54
hallk
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We took plywood and three mentors on a tube and it didn't pop. That would be pretty close to the weight of 3 robots but it was less then 4 inches.
09-01-2007 01:14
+()c|D
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I think the tube is concidered part of the field elements, but if it isn't it would be great to see the use of this tactic. 
09-01-2007 01:25
redbarron
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We thought of this today before we left and i tend to think that they are going to consider the ringers game elements, and if you could do this i guarantee there is going to be a tube popped too often for them to let it continue. Though they seem strong enough to hold the weight of the robot when the bottom is flat has anyone tried putting between 100 and 120 lbs. of force onto a sprocket or other object that is likely to stick out from the bottom, and see whether it pops.
09-01-2007 10:27
Conor Ryan
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Originally Posted by KTorak
Do you plan on using this to score bonus points?
If so, I hate to say it, but Rule <G56> says ROBOTS in HOME ZONE - ROBOTS score bonus points at the end of the match if they are entirely in their HOME ZONE, not in contact with any element of the field (carpet, alliance station, goal etc.) and the lowest point of the ROBOT is higher than 4 inches and/or 10 inches above the carpeted field surface. |
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Originally Posted by Ogre
As I said in the picture description, we're still not sure if its legal. It depends on whether the tube is considered as an element of the field. We will post this question to the Q&A when it becomes available.
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09-01-2007 13:24
Barry Bonzack
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Originally Posted by Conor Ryan
I thought about this idea with a few other people myself, it's legality depends how you interpret G56, is a Game Piece considered part of the Field? If it isn't part of the field, then go ahead and prop yourself up on 1 or 2 of those and get 15 points.
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I wonder if propping yourself up on two of these would be considered "herding" or being "in posession" of two ringers? Gut instinct says that they are considered part of the field anyway.
09-01-2007 14:20
Brandon Holley
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i recall reading a rule in which it referred to the tubes as scoring objects and not part of the field...let me see if i can find it
09-01-2007 14:48
mluckham
Re: pic: Height on top of a tube
| We took plywood and three mentors on a tube and it didn't pop. That would be pretty close to the weight of 3 robots but it was less then 4 inches. |
If 3 mentors were on TWO tubes laid side-by-side, would they be higher than 4 inches then?
09-01-2007 16:22
JaneYoung
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Originally Posted by mluckham
You must have younger mentors - the older ones are correspondingly heavier
If 3 mentors were on TWO tubes laid side-by-side, would they be higher than 4 inches then? |
Sad thing is, it's true.
10-01-2007 11:11
Jeff Rodriguez
Re: pic: Height on top of a tube
As per team update #1
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Originally Posted by Section 7.3.6, Rule <G56>
The sentence “ROBOTS score bonus points at the end of the match if they are entirely in their HOME ZONE, not in contact with any element of the field (carpet, alliance station, goal, etc.) and the lowest point of the ROBOT is higher than 4 inches and/or 10 inches above the carpeted field surface” has been changed to “ROBOTS score bonus points at the end of the match if they are entirely in their HOME ZONE, not in contact with any element of the field (carpet, alliance station, goal, etc. - note that for the purposes of this rule, GAME PIECES are considered field elements) and the lowest point of the ROBOT is higher than 4 inches and/or 12 inches above the carpeted field surface.”
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Hmm, now what?
10-01-2007 11:15
65_Xero_Huskie
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Originally Posted by Brandon Holley
i recall reading a rule in which it referred to the tubes as scoring objects and not part of the field...let me see if i can find it
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7.3.6
Not allowed to sit on tube. almost every team hates to hear this
10-01-2007 13:00
Mike Norton
Re: pic: Height on top of a tube
<G08> Obtaining GAME PIECES - ROBOTS may obtain GAME PIECES via any of the following methods:Accepting a KEEPER prior to the start of the match as detailed in Rule <G04>Picking up RINGERS from the opposing ALLIANCE HOME ZONE that were placed there prior to the start of the match Grasping RINGERS or SPOILERS that have been placed in the CHUTE by the HUMAN
PLAYER Picking up RINGERS or SPOILERS from the playing field surface
Removing a SPOILER from a HANGING position on the RACK
if a tube is a field element then you could not grab it. do to rule
G33> Field interaction - ROBOTS may push or react against any elements of the field, provided there is no damage or disruption of the field elements. ROBOTS may not grab, grasp, grapple, or attach to any field structure. If a ROBOT violates this rule, the head referee will give one warning. If the referee determines that the TEAM is disregarding the warning, their ROBOT will be disabled for the remainder of the match.
So the tube is a game piece and would fall under those rules and not the element rules.
So if you drop one tube on another, that is not herding because you only had one tube on your robot at a time. then if you climb on one tube you still have not touched both tubes this will get you up over the 12"
unless they make a new rule I think this would work.
"Sorry did not look at the update"
10-01-2007 13:03
Elgin Clock
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Originally Posted by 65_Xero_Huskie
Just changed in team update.
7.3.6 Not allowed to sit on tube. almost every team hates to hear this |
Oh well.
13-01-2007 01:46
overlord
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Personally, I feel this rule is a good one because it will create less controversy. Plus it will challenge us more to create robots that will be able to get those extra bonus points.
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