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In response to the "Triplet Challenge, " here is the West End Triad. These are the entries from 384, 540 and 1086 for the 2007 game Rack N' Roll.
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19-02-2007 23:42
Conor Ryan
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Wow! Great job guys, 3 robots is a feat. So any specs you can give us? Looks like you pick up tubes with suction cups, what kind of drive system are you sitting on? Also are there any variations in the robots? (besides color and team number of course)
19-02-2007 23:43
Kyle
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WOW, they look great please tell us more about these machines.
19-02-2007 23:44
RKElectricalman
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auto-mode in 9 secs?..*drools*.. yes we're finaly done, and 384 back in action with the same familiar colors... Just more blue this year :-) Sparky 8 (and the other bots) is 112lbs.. What a great season... I truly learned A LOT... My brain is still hurting 
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We pick up via suction cups, can reach top goal and score reliably. The lift mechanism is an elevator drive system which Crebb can elaborate on.. it's a mecanum drive, and our auto-mode is looking good so far with it's functional camera :-)
19-02-2007 23:49
Rabbit222
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Wow can we get some video on these little beasts?
19-02-2007 23:50
Crebb
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Originally Posted by Conor Ryan
Wow! Great job guys, 3 robots is a feat. So any specs you can give us? Looks like you pick up tubes with suction cups, what kind of drive system are you sitting on? Also are there any variations in the robots? (besides color and team number of course)
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The arm is a 3 stage lift run by another AM 1spd transmission powering a a single loop of chain. I will try to post some video to youtube later this week; all I have right now is one video of auto mode gone bad.
19-02-2007 23:54
RKElectricalman
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Originally Posted by Rabbit222
Wow can we get some video on these little beasts?
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.. yea's it's a practice bot , and we'll attempt to get video up sometime before VCU for it
19-02-2007 23:55
Joe Matt
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How about you guys get some pics on sparky384.com? 
Very nice. Good to see Sparky 6 lives in the other photo. Along with Will.
20-02-2007 00:13
Crebb
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Originally Posted by Joe Matt
How about you guys get some pics on sparky384.com?
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20-02-2007 03:48
SizzelChest330
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"Sparky 8.0 Picture Coming Soon
Sparky 8.0
2006 - 2007"
Am I missing something?
[Edit'd nvm http://www.sparky384.com/media/gallery/sparky8?page=1
20-02-2007 07:12
Billfred
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Alright, standard question whenever one sees twins or triplets: Why did y'all choose to collaborate? Fun? Economies of very slight scale? Keep mentors from getting spread thin?
20-02-2007 12:55
RKElectricalman
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Well our decision to collaborate was made by our Mentors, and accepted by me and my peers (of all three schools). It wasn't so much financial reason (as far as I know), as a learning situation. We chose this option to better ourselves as teams and learn from one another, and the larger influx of engineers participating really caused the learning curve to reach further lengths. We shared resources, engineers, students, problems, solutions, and closed school rivalry gaps, made by the sports community at our school.
Most all of us enjoyed this oppurtunity, and personaly speaking it was a fun and great experience. I learned A LOT, and I feel i'm better at what I do now, and have more indepth knowledge.
Short answer: Fun, learning, and resources (sort of)
20-02-2007 14:39
akash155
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nice, the red one looks the best
20-02-2007 14:49
Joe Matt
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From an asthetic perspective, all three look incredible. The Black Pearl looks amazing in black, the white and red of godwin looks really sweet, and of course, Sparky looks A++ like usual!
20-02-2007 14:54
Rachel M
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You guys look awsome! I'll be at the Richmond regional so I'll see you there. 
20-02-2007 15:37
Lil' Lavery
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While waiting for the FexEx truck to come, a few of us 116ers were browsing CD and came across this picture. While the immediate response was first investigating the design, a later reaction began to emerge. All three of these teams were first round selections at VCU last year (384 declined and became an AC), 384 was a finalist, 540 was a SF (and eliminated 1086 in the QF), and 1086 and 384 won technical awards. While we are supporters of collaborations (and I have voiced my support of the NiagaraFIRST Triplets last year), we didn't really feel this was in the spirit of the "Triplet Challenge" like you claim it was.
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Originally Posted by Rourke
The Triplet Challenge:
Let’s forever end the debate on collaboration – and commit to use it for the purpose of growing and sustaining FIRST. We should all be able to rally around that. Go out and find a high school whose students are yearning for the opportunity, but whose faculty or administration is intimidated by starting a team. Or, find a school that is willing and able but doesn’t have the engineering or mentor support to provide the guidance. Or, resurrect a school that used to have a FIRST team, but dropped out because of lack of support. Offer to have the new team copy everything you are doing next year. Everything. Get that team off the ground and performing at a high level. Have them copy your design. Help them make some of the parts. Stretch your budget to help them with registration, travel, spare parts, batteries, and tools. Help them with their organizational structure. Assist them with marketing and financial planning, coach them on scouting and game play, and share mentor expertise. |
That being said, the Black Pearl definitely has the best color scheme.
20-02-2007 15:49
Joe Matt
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Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery
While waiting for the FexEx truck to come, a few of us 116ers were browsing CD and came across this picture. While the immediate response was first investigating the design, a later reaction began to emerge. All three of these teams were first round selections at VCU last year (384 declined and became an AC), 384 was a finalist, 540 was a SF (and eliminated 1086 in the QF), and 1086 and 384 won technical awards. While we are supporters of collaborations (and I have voiced my support of the NiagaraFIRST Triplets last year), we didn't really feel this was in the spirit of the "Triplet Challenge" like you claim it was.
540 and 1086 had already had great success, and didn't appear to be on the verge of collapse. While we have no problem with a collaboration (and definitely look forward to facing off against these bots in a little under two weeks), this is more like the West Coast collaborations of 22, 60, 254, and 968, or 4 and 980. It is not a "Triplet Challenge" type collaboration, and shouldn't be suggested as one. That being said, the Black Pearl definitely has the best color scheme. |
Triplet? Perhaps. Collaboration? Perhaps. From what I know, it's probably a little of both (btw, read into some RVA area posts on the state of FIRST in the area, might be a good read.)
20-02-2007 16:06
Lil' Lavery
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Originally Posted by Joe Matt
And inwhich, your logic in inherently flawed. I raise to you the question, what if one or more of those teams this year faced such a fate? It should be noted that your basing your assumptions on past events. Without being privy to such info, you should tred lightly here.
Triplet? Perhaps. Collaboration? Perhaps. From what I know, it's probably a little of both (btw, read into some RVA area posts on the state of FIRST in the area, might be a good read.) |
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Originally Posted by Triplet Challenge
Go out and find a high school whose students are yearning for the opportunity, but whose faculty or administration is intimidated by starting a team. Or, find a school that is willing and able but doesn’t have the engineering or mentor support to provide the guidance. Or, resurrect a school that used to have a FIRST team, but dropped out because of lack of support.
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20-02-2007 16:27
Rob2713g
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The 3 teams began working on frame designs in the off-season as a way to pool ideas. The collaboration later turned into 3 identical robots. This allowed us to share ideas, but most importantly resources and mentors.
We have never said that we were accepting the Triplet Challenge. The name "Triad" simply denotes that we are 3 teams with nearly identical robots.
20-02-2007 23:32
RKElectricalman
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here's some autonomous video, and we'll get regular scoring later...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...451&pr=goog-sl
21-02-2007 02:05
Huskie65
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Originally Posted by RKElectricalman
here's some autonomous video, and we'll get regular scoring later...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...451&pr=goog-sl |
Can all three do that constantly? And on different spots maybe?
21-02-2007 10:03
mtbkr5
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Our Triad was mainly formed to share mentors and resources and most importantly, brains. We are 3 schools within a 5 mile radius in an area that is not a mecca for industrialization. Finding a shop to help us out is not an easy task. By forming this Triad, we shared shop time, held meetings at either school or shops. In the pre-season, we looked at many different drive systems, arm systems, feeder systems, and some students were concered about making the bot water-tight fot the possible water game . 384 has always been ahead of schedule and on time, something that 1086 has had problems with in the past. One of 384's mentors is a Physics teacher at their school and a former Air Force engineer, who gave us the military perspective of the design process which we implimented as a fly-off of which team's design prototype we would use for the competition. One of 540's student's dad owns a fixture corp. who made a full rack to be used by all three teams, designed and made an awesome control board and crate for all three teams. 1086 shared their machine shop and warehouse space with the 384 and 540. Engineers who work with vacuum systems for their paletizing robots everyday, helped the student design team understand air flow and pressure to get max yeild for the Venturi vacuum. This process of colaboration is not about winning, but about the local teams getting a better engineering experience from FIRST.
21-02-2007 10:37
RKElectricalman
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Originally Posted by Huskie65
Wow.
Can all three do that constantly? And on different spots maybe? |
short answer: 384, 1086 = YES // 540 = most likely, but they'll let you know or you can wait and see
(gosh i'm so excited about VCU!!)
22-02-2007 20:37
sporno
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im diggin that red one, cheya 540
and for all that dont know 540 and 384 came up with slightly different designs , but at a meeting voted on what we thought was best and used that to move forward and build these sick machines....
and sean i totally agree
01-03-2007 18:41
Rich Ross
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I dub thee three the autonomous wizards. That was nice and congrats sparky and partners on the 128
07-03-2007 18:33
Ian S.
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I'd like to sound as least annoying as possible, but I think the idea that the 3 Henrico schools making an almost exact image of each other's robots is a bit out of the idea of orginality. Personally I would work together to make robots of different design and process, to give each team individuality, but still keep the learning process going throughout the three teams.
Nevertheless, all three teams did fantastic at the competition, congratulations to team 540 for there Richmond Regional championship win with 2108 and 843, team 1086's "Driving Tomorrow's Technology" award, and also congrats to Marshall Turner from 384 for his Regional Woodie Flowers award.
07-03-2007 23:10
wilsonmw04
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I have to say these teams are awesome. Not only did they build great performing machines, but they all exhibit the "gracious professionalism" that FIRST is built on. 1086 (along with this guy who kept calling himself "Superman") took time out of their busy build season to help mentor my rookie team this year. James, From Sparky, was always lending a hand or sharing an idea (the guy designs wicked drive trains). 540 helped with parts, crating and a control board.
I feel the entire Triad helped 2106 get to where we are right this moment. Thanks guys and gals for everything you've done for 2106 this year. Good Luck in Atlanta. The Land of Gooch will be cheering for you!
11-03-2007 22:36
Josue
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Although you learned alot dont you feel that creating a unique robot that no one else has would be better thats the reason that most people are proud because they know they built their robot from scratch and that no one else will have another robot that looks anything like theirs. You should try that it might actually help you learn more thats just my opinion
12-03-2007 08:04
ChrisMcK2186
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These teams are fantastic, and the bots ain't to shabby either. They did amazing at VCU but I think what really stood out in my mind is how there was always atleast one, if not more of them in our pit, 2186. The fact that the teams helped eachother out and shared resources in mentors is what I feel is the whole point of FIRST. They worked out the problem, came together as a community and by doing so, spread awareness in the community.
Good job guys and thanks for the help.
Chris
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