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The bumper on 399's bot reads "THE TIN MAN." So that means there's a whole "N" inside 848.
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16-03-2009 02:27
TheMP
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I think that this was one of the most exciting matches of the entire day. It was sad to see 399 and 848 hooked up on each other however because overall the finals matches were so fast paced and both robots had such potential. If I remember correctly this was a very close game and was awesome to watch.
16-03-2009 08:35
JackG
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"Bumper to bumper contact" indeed! Who needs that when you can use your ball accumulator as a robot accumulator?
16-03-2009 09:00
Greg Needel
Re: pic: 848 Puts a Massive Pin on 399
I hope there was a penalty assessed for this interaction. Anyone want to fill those of us who were not there in?
16-03-2009 09:03
Brandon Holley
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Originally Posted by Greg Needel
I hope there was a penalty assessed for this interaction. Anyone want to fill those of us who were not there in?
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16-03-2009 09:43
robodude03
Re: pic: 848 Puts a Massive Pin on 399
We were worried about the pin and were pleasantly surprised when 848 pulled away. We were quickly able to maneuver our way out and score some more.
16-03-2009 09:45
Greg Needel
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Originally Posted by Brandon Holley
Who would the penalty be assessed to??
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16-03-2009 09:48
Brad Voracek
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Originally Posted by Greg Needel
I hope there was a penalty assessed for this interaction. Anyone want to fill those of us who were not there in?
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There were no penaltys assessed on robots in any match. It could have changed outcomes of some matches, but oh well.
(We didn't challenge it because we weren't sure if it was a penalty or not. If someone finds out if it is, or isn't, it would be nice to know. I was fine with it because the calls were consistent both ways. We ended up under a robot at one point tooo)
16-03-2009 09:58
Jared Russell
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Why would there be a penalty for this, especially on 848? 848 has "four wheels on the floor" and is initiating contact within its own bumper zone. To add insult to injury, it looks like 399 could have been flagged for either a height violation or the bumpers being out of the bumper zone when tipped (though 848 probably caused 399 to violate these rules, so no penalties would be the correct call).
Obviously I wasn't there, so I don't want to ruffle any feathers, but from *this picture alone*, I don't see what 848 did wrong.
<G32>, especially sections B, C, and D, does not explicitly outlaw this type of defense in my opinion (unless 848 used some sort of wedge to get 399 off the ground).
16-03-2009 10:25
Brandon Holley
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Originally Posted by Greg Needel
I would say 848 for contact outside the bumper zone.
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I just can't see how a penalty can be applied to this situation. It is unfortunate that 399 was in a position like that which made them more than likely unable to move for a majority of the match, but I highly doubt 848 wedged under them and lifted to initiate contact outside of the bumper zone.
Just my 2 cents.
-Brando
16-03-2009 10:32
robodude03
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Originally Posted by Brandon Holley
I don't see how you could assess a penalty to them for contact outside the bumper zone when their robots bumpers are within the bumper zone.
I just can't see how a penalty can be applied to this situation. It is unfortunate that 399 was in a position like that which made them more than likely unable to move for a majority of the match, but I highly doubt 848 wedged under them and lifted to initiate contact outside of the bumper zone. Just my 2 cents. -Brando |
16-03-2009 10:45
EricH
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Originally Posted by TheMP
This was, by far, the most impressive pin of the entire regional.
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For those that think this is a penalty, it wasn't called as one, for reasons already mentioned. 848 has no floor loader; that space is used for herding balls. There are no wedges on the robot in that area. It's just open. Should a robot go inside, who takes the penalty? Nobody, because the contact would have initiated in the bumper perimeter if there was a bumper there.
16-03-2009 11:08
JesseK
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We put a similar pin on 238 in Florida. When the trailer is jackknifed and the back of the bot is against a wall, there's NOTHING the pinned robot can do. We held our pin without a worry of it breaking (or of being scored on by a PS) for a full 45 seconds until the super cell came in at the end and won us the match by 1 point. 238 was a consistent scorer too, so it was worth it for us to stay idle for that long given the capabilities of the bots on the field. 1144 said that defense was the sole reason they picked us second round ^^. Too bad theirs and 665's comms cut out in QFs.
If the regional ever gets archived, look up Match #72.
16-03-2009 11:26
Brad Voracek
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Originally Posted by JesseK
We put a similar pin on 238 in Florida. When the trailer is jackknifed and the back of the bot is against a wall, there's NOTHING the pinned robot can do. We held our pin without a worry of it breaking (or of being scored on by a PS) for a full 45 seconds until the super cell came in at the end and won us the match by 1 point. 238 was a consistent scorer too, so it was worth it for us to stay idle for that long given the capabilities of the bots on the field. 1144 said that defense was the sole reason they picked us second round ^^. Too bad theirs and 665's comms cut out in QFs.
If the regional ever gets archived, look up Match #72. |
16-03-2009 13:02
huskyrobotics
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Hello,
I am the mentor for team 848 and we feel honored to be mentioned on Chief Delphi. What a great regional it was and we had an excellent time. Our green robot made out of Bamboo plywood and with a simple design far exceeded our expectations. Team 399 was our favorite robot and we were glad to give them a run for their money in the play-offs. We moved away from the pin because we felt it was best in the spirit of gracious professionalism and also because we were losing the match at the time. Additionally, team 399's human player was awesome and still scoring on us. We needed to herd an empty cell to our human player to exchange for a super cell in order to have any chance at victory....did anyone see our buzzer beater 30 foot shoot with the super cell?
As far as a penalty, I don't think any team deserved one. It was a great match and despite losing, we went away feeling great about ourselves. Team 399 members stood at the exit after the game, shook our hands and congratulated us on a great match. The end result was exactly as the competition was intended to be: challenging, fair, fun, exciting and gracious.
Thanks to all for a great regional.
16-03-2009 15:52
robodude03
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Originally Posted by huskyrobotics
Hello,
I am the mentor for team 848 and we feel honored to be mentioned on Chief Delphi. What a great regional it was and we had an excellent time. Our green robot made out of Bamboo plywood and with a simple design far exceeded our expectations. Team 399 was our favorite robot and we were glad to give them a run for their money in the play-offs. We moved away from the pin because we felt it was best in the spirit of gracious professionalism and also because we were losing the match at the time. Additionally, team 399's human player was awesome and still scoring on us. We needed to herd an empty cell to our human player to exchange for a super cell in order to have any chance at victory....did anyone see our buzzer beater 30 foot shoot with the super cell? As far as a penalty, I don't think any team deserved one. It was a great match and despite losing, we went away feeling great about ourselves. Team 399 members stood at the exit after the game, shook our hands and congratulated us on a great match. The end result was exactly as the competition was intended to be: challenging, fair, fun, exciting and gracious. Thanks to all for a great regional. |
Oh and just FYI that was 1388's human player scoring on you. You guys were high on our list of teams to be chosen as a third bot, but unfortunately you were the first to be picked.
16-03-2009 19:09
Jeff K.
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Neither team would have deserved a penalty. No rules against pinning this year.
16-03-2009 20:50
Brad Voracek
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Originally Posted by Jeff K.
Neither team would have deserved a penalty. No rules against pinning this year.
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16-03-2009 20:51
Dowjonesbotics
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Shouldn't that be a penalty or something?
17-03-2009 00:07
Jeff K.
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Originally Posted by Brad Voracek
But there are rules about contact outside the bumper zone, which is what is being discussed.
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If anything though, a penalty would have gone to both teams, negating itself.
399 is inside of 848 a decent amount, and 848 is inside of 399 a decent amount as well.
17-03-2009 00:18
Brad Voracek
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Originally Posted by Jeff K.
Then referees would have been unable to determine who is at fault, looking at the picture and watching the youtube video of the match. You guys won both quarterfinals by over 10 pts, so what difference does it make?
If anything though, a penalty would have gone to both teams, negating itself. 399 is inside of 848 a decent amount, and 848 is inside of 399 a decent amount as well. |
17-03-2009 00:22
Trent B
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Yea, it was probably to chaotic to see what happened.
848 could have hit 399 and pushed it up, 399 could have driven up 848. Both could have collided and this result.
I think no penalty is the right choice unless live it was really easy to see who to blame.
17-03-2009 00:34
Drwurm
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Out of all the possible outcomes of an attempted pin, this seems rather improbable. I wouldn't consider putting a penalty on either team mostly because it's just one of those crazy things that happens during competition. I'm sure 848's intention was not to ingest 399, as I'm sure 399's goal was not to try and phase through 848's bot. Since this year, all robots must remain within their bumper zones, I'm not sure out of bumber zone contact is an enforcable penalty.
I'd say it's things like this that really bring a lot of excitement to FIRST competitions.
17-03-2009 01:16
FreneticAmnesic
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I was the driver for 848 that pinned 399. All I have to say is that this was one of the best times of my life. Our robotics team is a senior-only class each year, so we're always a rookie team. I wish I could have done this all through HS, not just senior year.
In hindsight, I keep telling myself that we should have kept on 399 for longer. I had no idea that 399 was inside of us There was an empty cell on the floor, and I moved away so we could bring it back to our human shooter. But man, I can't believe how fun this was. Wish we could have stayed competing for longer. Being picked by you guys, 399, would have been such an insane experience. Imagine where we could have gone...
edit: Also, I remember you, robodude03, coming up to us before one of our matches. It was so amazing to hear that you'd actually been thinking of choosing us. It was such a great feeling.
I saw the youtube video of our last match, the Quarterfinal 1 Match 2. Where can I find any other videos [of us]? I've checked thebluealliance.net but nothing's been posted yet.
17-03-2009 01:37
robodude03
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Originally Posted by FreneticAmnesic
I was the driver for 848 that pinned 399. All I have to say is that this was one of the best times of my life. Our robotics team is a senior-only class each year, so we're always a rookie team. I wish I could have done this all through HS, not just senior year.
In hindsight, I keep telling myself that we should have kept on 399 for longer. I had no idea that 399 was inside of us There was an empty cell on the floor, and I moved away so we could bring it back to our human shooter. But man, I can't believe how fun this was. Wish we could have stayed competing for longer. Being picked by you guys, 399, would have been such an insane experience. Imagine where we could have gone...edit: Also, I remember you, robodude03, coming up to us before one of our matches. It was so amazing to hear that you'd actually been thinking of choosing us. It was such a great feeling. I saw the youtube video of our last match, the Quarterfinal 1 Match 2. Where can I find any other videos [of us]? I've checked thebluealliance.net but nothing's been posted yet. |
17-03-2009 01:57
FreneticAmnesic
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Originally Posted by robodude03
With the top defense you guys showed in your matches of course we were thinking of choosing you guys. Our team was looking for good drivers and a bot that could really move, you guys had that. However, as I had mentioned before you were picked first probably for the very same reasons. I was actually sitting next to some of your team members during the alliance pickings.
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17-03-2009 10:53
huskyrobotics
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As a mentor, I have been monitoring this thread to see if people are acting in a professional manner. I would like to congratulate robodude on his professionalism and sound character. I would also like to thank him on recognizing the defensive manner of our bot. We had a simple plan...avoid being scored upon too often and give our human player a good shot with a super cell. We looked at the competition as a +/- situation like in hockey. Thanks again for a great regional.
17-03-2009 18:38
robodude03
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Originally Posted by huskyrobotics
As a mentor, I have been monitoring this thread to see if people are acting in a professional manner. I would like to congratulate robodude on his professionalism and sound character. I would also like to thank him on recognizing the defensive manner of our bot. We had a simple plan...avoid being scored upon too often and give our human player a good shot with a super cell. We looked at the competition as a +/- situation like in hockey. Thanks again for a great regional.
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