13-12-2009 21:17

Tom Line

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

doh. Ignore - I went and looked at the other pictures and realized I wasn't looking at what I though I was.

13-12-2009 21:18

sanddrag

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

Edit: Nevermind, I misunderstood the design.

13-12-2009 21:20

Tom Line

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

Triple DOH and apologies to the poster. You need to look at ALL the pictures to understand this drive setup. It is not what you think it is (nor what I thought is was).

So why have both chains running over the middle wheel? How do you control the motion of that wheel?

13-12-2009 21:23

Joe G.

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

From other pictures posted by this team, it appears that it is in fact 2 chains. The four corner wheels are mecanum, and the chains feed to a ball differential, that allows the central omniwheels to spin only when the 2 gearboxes are moving in the same direction. For the most part, it acts as a standard mecanum drive, but the central wheels in combination with a suspension system provide additional forward traction and climbing ability.

Here is how it appears in reality: http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/34391?

13-12-2009 21:34

NickE

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

Looks like definite improvement with this gearbox mounting method over this earlier method. To save a little weight and make the gearboxes more compact, you could consider using the new Toughbox Nano gearboxes.

13-12-2009 22:01

joeweber

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

To save a little weight and make the gearboxes more compact, you could consider using the new Toughbox Nano gearboxes.[/quote]

The nano looks like a good idea except they are $78 each. The kit gear boxes will weigh more but save us some money. You can veiw our video and more pictures at http://www.team1322.org/ideas.htm

13-12-2009 22:04

Mr_I

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

Okay, I'm confused about something (trust me, this isn't an unusual condition): The advantage of mecanum is that you can make the bot go sideways by rotating front and back wheels in different directions. If you chain them together by tying them to the middle wheel, aren't you defeating this potential?

13-12-2009 22:12

Joe G.

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

I believe the plan is for the ball differential mounted on the center shaft to only allow power transfer when the 2 chains are moving in the same direction (when the robot is moving forward or backwards.) When the chains are moving opposite each other, when it is driving sideways, the ball differential will slip, no power will be transferred to the center wheel, and the chains will be allowed to move independently.

13-12-2009 22:26

NickE

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

I believe they're implementing this design for these reasons:

13-12-2009 23:11

joeweber

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

Here is a link to the first utube video of the drive. Maybee this will help with understanding the system. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urFsD0gA1D4

14-12-2009 12:20

Daniel_LaFleur

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

Don't worry about being confused, this is a very advanced drive/suspension system.

(Correct me if I'm wrong with any details)

The 2 chains are not attached together. They are attached to a ball differential which allows them to drive the center (Omni) wheel when moving together and disengages them when the chains are driving in opposite directions (mechanum straifing).

There is also a pivot along the center axel through the omni wheels which allow the robot to keep all of the mechanums in contact with the driving surface even while cliimbing a ramp.

My only question is can it climb a ramp at any angle other than straight on? or will it slide sidewards if not aligned properly?

14-12-2009 13:31

joeweber

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

You are correct the chains are not attached together. Follow some of the links from previous post for video and photos.

Yes it can climb ramps on an angle and does it very well but to make it work on angles we had to add a second set of suspension to the front.

14-12-2009 16:33

Mr_I

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

Thanks to all for the explanation. No, I did not realize the ball differential was in use (or even existed!). Very cool, but I honestly hope you won't need this in competition this year, because there are few teams that would be able to do this!

(Note: I don't mind being educated -- I figure it's part of my job in life to ask the questions that bunches of other people might have but are too shy to pose.)

14-12-2009 18:17

joeweber

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

Actually this system is very easy to build. The ball differental was the hardest part and we made it in house with no probblem. I also believe F.I.R.S.T. wants us to come up with new designs, thats the fun part. We have an addtional design we are working on for this that we will post when completed.

We have posted all parts of our design and anybody can build it. Below is the parts to the ball differental.

15-12-2009 00:20

lbarger

Re: pic: Side view of third try drive.

I am impressed.

Excellent work.