09-04-2010 16:15

Akash Rastogi

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

I hate being "that guy" but I'm just wondering, what was the point of doing an inverted drivetrain?

This is not supposed to be a slight towards the creativity of this or the fact that you technically built TWO fully functioning swerve drives, but I just don't see the point considering how low your CG is and that chances of flipping perfectly onto the opposite side would be rare to none. Was it purely for the fun and challenge or did you think it would come into play? I'm sure the learning experience for the kids was pretty awesome though!

-Akash

09-04-2010 16:18

keehun

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

I thought that there was a rule saying that you could only operate in one defined orientation, which means that you couldn't flip over and keep on driving (you had to right yourselves up somehow before moving?)

I just checked the rules and I couldn't find what I read before that got me to think about not being able to invert and keep on driving, but I distinctively remember reading a rule and deciding as a team that we wouldn't make something like that... but how did it do? Crab drive... wow awesome! But... Crab drive X 2? Even more epic!

09-04-2010 16:28

EricH

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Keehun, the GDC ruled it legal via Q&A, providing all other rules were met.

Akash, they thought they'd tip. After not tipping at all in Waterloo, they removed the second drivetrain in favor of other functionality.

09-04-2010 16:29

Racer26

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Akash,

In our initial analysis of the game, we thought that going over the bumps was going to be alot more flip-prone than it turned out to be. The robot was supposed to be designed to only have 2 stable configurations (on its wheels).

We saw at Waterloo how it behaved (namely, didnt flip, even when we tried), and determined it wasn't necessary, so we took it off for GTR, and made our ball manipulation and hanger substantially better. Anybody that saw us hang in Q8 at GTR should agree.

The top and bottom wheels were all driven all the time, and yes, it required a bit of driver intelligence in the sense that the controls would be reversed when inverted.

EDIT: Also, we thought it would be good fodder for an engineering or innovation in control award.

EDIT2: It should also be noted that in the above photo, the arm is not in its normal position.

09-04-2010 16:31

Vikesrock

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1075guy The top and bottom wheels were all driven all the time, and yes, it required a bit of driver intelligence in the sense that the controls would be reversed when inverted.

09-04-2010 16:35

Racer26

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Yes, it could have, but we didnt have the weight for it, and since inverted was only a configuration intended to get us to a bump and flip over again we didnt think it necessary.

09-04-2010 16:36

JamesCH95

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Very cool, though it doesn't look like you have a kicker "on top" or a hanger "on bottom" so you'd lose those functions once inverted? I guess it'd be better than being turtled though.

09-04-2010 16:37

Akash Rastogi

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1075guy We saw at Waterloo how it behaved (namely, didnt flip, even when we tried), and determined it wasn't necessary, so we took it off for GTR, and made our ball manipulation and hanger substantially better. Anybody that saw us hang in Q8 at GTR should agree.

09-04-2010 16:38

Racer26

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

For those that are interested, it can be seen in its GTR configuration behind Roberta Bondar in this picture: http://picasaweb.google.com/patfair/...66171620254514

It lost the upper wheels, and gained a much improved (and lighter) arm.

09-04-2010 16:41

Racer26

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi Ah gotcha. Well, at least now you have 2 seperate swerves to play with!

09-04-2010 16:55

Akash Rastogi

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1075guy Not really Akash, The units were tied together, it can be seen better here: http://picasaweb.google.com/patfair/...87665933385058 A better pic of it + Roberta: http://picasaweb.google.com/patfair/...66107170969314

09-04-2010 17:08

PAR_WIG1350

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akash Rastogi I hate being "that guy" but I'm just wondering, what was the point of doing an inverted drivetrain? This is not supposed to be a slight towards the creativity of this or the fact that you technically built TWO fully functioning swerve drives, but I just don't see the point considering how low your CG is and that chances of flipping perfectly onto the opposite side would be rare to none. Was it purely for the fun and challenge or did you think it would come into play? I'm sure the learning experience for the kids was pretty awesome though! -Akash

09-04-2010 19:42

Lil' Lavery

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesCH95 Very cool, though it doesn't look like you have a kicker "on top" or a hanger "on bottom" so you'd lose those functions once inverted? I guess it'd be better than being turtled though.

09-04-2010 21:14

Racer26

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lil' Lavery I believe their intent was simply to drive it back to the bump and flip themselves back into normal configuration after flipping over.

09-04-2010 21:34

Kellen Hill

Re: pic: DS Swerve on the field

Team 101 had a similar idea in Chicago but they only had a "standard" four wheel drive. It was neat to watch the top set of wheel spinning on top of the robot. They also had an extra ball magnet on the top in case they flipped over.

I remember them flipping over at least once if I remember right. If I spent time on that kind of drive, I would try to make sure I flipped over at least once just to see it work.