17-01-2011 20:26

maltz1881

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

Ok, so how big is this? From the looks it is quite wide.

17-01-2011 20:27

ATannahill

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

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Originally Posted by maltz1881 Ok, so how big is this? From the looks it is quite wide.

17-01-2011 20:29

joeweber

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

Nice, I like the way you think. Now if you can drive the wheels on the fold out and put most of your weight on them so they can't turn you, you might beable to control the score zone. Or just put unmovable pads down insted of wheels.

17-01-2011 20:32

joeweber

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

I Just noticed the slot in you bumpers, can't do that you will have to fill the gap.

17-01-2011 20:36

BEEKMAN

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

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Originally Posted by joeweber I Just noticed the slot in you bumpers, can't do that you will have to fill the gap.

17-01-2011 22:00

KrazyCarl92

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

The "bumpers" that flip down would not be real BUMPERS as defined by the rules because they are not in the BUMPER ZONE. Right now the "bumpers" that flip down would be illegal in the starting configuration because they extend outside the frame perimeter. The concept is really cool, but this problem would need to be fixed for it to pass inspection (it would be really easy to just change the dimensions if you alter them before you start fabrication/assembly).

17-01-2011 22:24

EricH

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

Just what we were saying in the thread that was in the description. The plan was to expand out to the maximum circle size and become a rolling barrier.

I think many of the suggestions made here were also made in that thread.

17-01-2011 23:17

jspatz1

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

Technically there is no reason you need to even have bumpers on the extensions, except for you own protection. They are just manipulators that happen to be shaped like a frame, just as a gripper arm might come down in front of your bumpers.

18-01-2011 01:23

whackedwatchdog

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

This is a question not necessarily involving the picture. But are there any rules that specifically state that this right cylinder has to be vertical? Would it not be feasible to say that the robot fits in an (infinitely "tall") cylinder, with the diameter moving vertically, extending into the ground, and above the robot? Basically, just tip the traditional cylinder on its side, and now you have the option for "unlimited" extension, given that you remain under the artificial ceiling imposed?

18-01-2011 02:45

EricH

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

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Originally Posted by whackedwatchdog This is a question not necessarily involving the picture. But are there any rules that specifically state that this right cylinder has to be vertical?

18-01-2011 07:18

Paul Copioli

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

The only thing I see that is blatantly illegal is the fact that the manipulator bumpers are outside the FRAME perimeter.

If you made the dragonfly wings so that the outside of the dragonfly bumpers were inside the frame perimeter, then I think this is a perfectly legal configuration that makes me very nervous....

18-01-2011 08:21

IKE

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

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Originally Posted by Paul Copioli If you made the dragonfly wings so that the outside of the dragonfly bumpers were inside the frame perimeter, then I think this is a perfectly legal configuration that makes me very nervous....

18-01-2011 10:51

rsisk

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

Imagine what it would be like if the "Dragonfly" could also "swat" thrown game pieces into their own safe zone while blocking the opposing alliance feeder lanes

18-01-2011 12:22

EricH

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Copioli The only thing I see that is blatantly illegal is the fact that the manipulator bumpers are outside the FRAME perimeter. If you made the dragonfly wings so that the outside of the dragonfly bumpers were inside the frame perimeter, then I think this is a perfectly legal configuration that makes me very nervous....

18-01-2011 12:44

jvriezen

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

Depending upon how much you intend to move around during the match (and whether you retract your wings during movement) you are tar risk of herding more than one game piece, which will get you a penalty.

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Originally Posted by staplemonx loading photo ...

18-01-2011 12:45

whackedwatchdog

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

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Originally Posted by EricH Yes, there is such a rule. <R11> defines the PLAYING CONFIGURATION as for the horizontal dimensions.

18-01-2011 12:48

EricH

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

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Originally Posted by jvriezen Depending upon how much you intend to move around during the match (and whether you retract your wings during movement) you are tar risk of herding more than one game piece, which will get you a penalty.

18-01-2011 14:04

jvriezen

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

Yikes.. have fun turning that thing...

Also, since the extensions are subject to normal bumper rules, you are free to have some bumper gaps in your extension wings-- using the saved weight for other things, and/or moving that weight further outboard.

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Originally Posted by EricH Hint: they don't move with the wide side in front. It's the long side, always the long side. See the wheels?

22-01-2011 12:34

staplemonx

Re: pic: dragonfly config top, team 3553 concept

Here is the update to this design http://www.chiefdelphi.com/forums/sh...75#post1005775