08-01-2012 09:11

O'Sancheski

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My guess is they will either open the hole or give you a tool like they did in 2009 and 2010 to grab dislodged balls.

08-01-2012 09:43

Tetraman

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My guess is the field was incorrectly built, and the GDC are already working on fixing that if their drawings for the fields were incorrect all together. Or you just helped the GDC figure out what they would have figured out in Week 1 and can fix it now to ensure that doesn't happen again. Having that problem is going to make Rule [G37] impossible for the referees and field crew.

08-01-2012 10:54

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<G34> gives sticking your hand into the field a technical foul, so you'd want to find a ref or something about that, I have no idea.

08-01-2012 11:14

JesseK

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So really what this becomes is a bonus for making a 'swish' into the high goal. Not only do you get 3 points, but your opponents don't get that ball. Awesome!

08-01-2012 11:17

Billfred

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I wouldn't bet on that--it doesn't look like that ball would have tripped the sensors to count it.

08-01-2012 11:22

Basel A

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I don't know about the sensors, but points are counted for the balls once they fully pass through the hoop by G38.

08-01-2012 11:23

nighterfighter

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But wouldn't you then get a penalty for not returning it? :/

08-01-2012 11:34

Basel A

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Not at all! Take a look at G31. The ball never makes it to the corral, so it never has to be "removed immediately." There could potentially be 6 balls held by inbounders and an additional one stuck without penalty.

Personally, I'd call this a field fault and replay the match or simply fix it now to stop it from happening again.

08-01-2012 12:47

Thermal

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Can somebody just verify for me that in this picture that ball got stuck in the return chute just before it gets counted? What I see in the picture (or what I think I see) is the ball was never scored (it never went through the hoop) it just missed the hoop and got stuck underneath the goal just above where the balls return to the corral.

08-01-2012 13:19

ratdude747

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I predict a return of the pokey sticks from 2006...

08-01-2012 13:23

EricLeifermann

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The ball didn't go in the hoop and return chute in this picture. The ball is sitting on top of the chute

08-01-2012 15:41

BrendanB

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Correct, I had to shrink the image because of CD's size limit. The ball is sitting on top of the return chute just under where the hoop is mounted.

Again this was my second shot and I saw a few others land in the same area during the morning.

Brendan

08-01-2012 15:49

ratdude747

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a legal starvation strategy?

08-01-2012 15:52

BrendanB

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I'd rather put them in my lane than do that. 18 balls means if each robot has 3 there are none on the field or inbounders.

Any ball you get is a gift so starving in this game is realistically collecting your 3.

08-01-2012 16:05

Captain Slacker

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A ball doesnt count unless it makes it through the entire hoop. this hasnt completed the motion.

08-01-2012 16:14

BrendanB

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This isn't a scored ball, this is a stuck ball on top of the ball return and the only way to get it down is through a hole.

09-01-2012 00:01

skimoose

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Balls also got stuck between the netting and the backboards. I was assured by FIRST staffers that field reset crews will have implements to dislodge balls that get stuck like this during a match. Train your human players not to interfere with these balls, it is a penalty. Leave it to the field crews to get the balls reintroduced to play.

09-01-2012 01:12

sanddrag

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Take off your shoe and thwack it with that?

09-01-2012 02:33

Aren Siekmeier

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The alley is not impassable by the opposing. It is only opposing robots in the opponent's alley that you must avoid per <G28>. So if there are no opposing robots on your offensive side, you can quite safely and immediately retrieve any balls dropped out the feeder slot (keeping in mind human players may hold six in total).

09-01-2012 08:11

Retired Starman

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This is a stuck ball. It may take the ball out of play, but otherwise, there is no problem. Every robot on the field now has to deal with the situation of having only 17 balls to score with. If the field crew can deal with it, they will, if not, then everyone plays with fewer balls, but no one on the field gets an advantage by that.

Same as when tubes got stuck on nets and poles last year.

Dr. Bob

"Chairman's award isn't about building a robot; every team builds a robot."

09-01-2012 13:06

BrendanB

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Sorry, I too often have to catch myself confusing the alley for a feeding lane. Too many clauses to me. I'm too used to red tape for red alliance bots only and blue tape for blue alliance robots.

14-01-2012 01:50

Prototype151

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lol, best idea yet