09-01-2012 10:09

Nuttyman54

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

I'm confused as to how you got 30 balance points? Per rule G40, a balanced alliance bridge can score either 10, 20 or (in elims only) 40 points

09-01-2012 10:24

EricLeifermann

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

They got 20 for 2 robots on the blue bridge and 10 points robot on the middle bridge

09-01-2012 10:28

Hallry

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

You can't get match points on the Coopertition bridge, G40 states that only Balanced Alliance Bridges score match points, and either 10, 20, or 40; not 30...

09-01-2012 10:34

EricLeifermann

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

I understand that but that is really the only way they could score 30 points, they obviously have to go in and fix their program.

I know its called the "coopertition" bridge but I'm still going to call it the middle bridge for 2 reasons.

1) Its faster to type middle than coopertition
2) outsiders think you don't know how to speak when you say "coopertition" because its not a real word to the vast majority of society. Also when you explain the game to someone and say "coopertition" bridge you are going to immediately follow that up with its the middle bridge because people are going to ask you which bridge that is or give you a blank look so you know they have no idea what you are talking about.

09-01-2012 11:28

EricLeifermann

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

I am not on a team but want to be able to download the program. Why do you require me to be part of a team?

09-01-2012 11:52

Chris is me

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

Even as a team member I apparently need the Team Contact to authorize use of the game.

09-01-2012 12:00

ratdude747

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

because it is kinda like labview and autodesk... only there is no way for non-teams to buy it.

09-01-2012 12:03

EricLeifermann

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

If you look at my signature you'll understand why I'm not officially on a team. I'm more of a free consultant, working through FIRST, for any team in DC.

09-01-2012 12:08

arizonafoxx

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

Where on usfirst.org did you find the game simulator? I would love to start messing around with it. Can you please provide a link

NM. I see the link at the end of the fist post now. Didn't realize it was for this simulator at first

09-01-2012 12:13

ehochstein

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

It should work for the team's alternate contact as well. I was able to download and play it as the alternate contact.

If you check out the Catalyst question thread they have a rep. there that says due to some legal issues they can only release one copy.

09-01-2012 14:29

DavidGitz

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

Just to clarify, as far as I know there is no technical requirement Labview or Autodesk products that you are affiliated with a FIRST or FRC Team. I'm sure there are legal issues to an extent but nothing in the software itself prevents anyone from using it.

09-01-2012 14:33

Curtis Todd

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

The only information we check against TIMS is the team number, city, and state. The other information (first name, last name, email, etc) is just for our book keeping in case we need to contact them for some reason.

Thanks for correcting us on this. We had some miscommunication on this rule with FIRST during the development of the game. You can expect for this to be fixed in a Catalyst update soon.

I am an employee of Diamond Bullet Studios.

09-01-2012 14:48

mdiradoorian

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

That is amazing.

09-01-2012 21:29

Duke461

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As long as it's "legal", I am very willing to supply the username and password for Team 461 for everyone here to use.
Someone please let me know if this is legal or illegal before i proceed.

09-01-2012 21:33

ratdude747

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

only one person may login to an account at a time... so, unless you want to never have a chance to login, no.

09-01-2012 21:36

EricLeifermann

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

So from your phrasing teams can download this game many times as long as they used a different first name and email and all that stuff or is it limited to 1 per team?

09-01-2012 21:48

Curtis Todd

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

Each team can only create one account even if they try to use different team member's name and email. Using that single account, teams can install the game on as many computers as they would like, but only one computer can log into the game at a time.

09-01-2012 21:50

EricLeifermann

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

ok thanks for the clarification!

09-01-2012 22:05

Duke461

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

Curtis,
Were you a part of making this game?
If so, why did you mess with the whole login thing?
Thanks,
-Duke
Also, Eric, you do have the ability to play as a guest in the simulation so I don't think that part matters.
EDIT: To clarify, you only need the team login to download the .exe
After that, you can play as a guest.
Also, i don't understand why when doing a 1 v 1 on a keyboard, you can only have bots without roller or shooters. Kind of pointless if you ask me.

09-01-2012 23:01

Curtis Todd

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Yes, I am the programmer for the game. The login system is our DRM for the software which is partially based on the way Steam and other PC games handle their DRM.

This is not entirely true. Yes you can log in as a guest, but in order to get past the start screen, you must have logged in at least one registered team.

Thanks for letting us know. We will take this into consideration as we prepare for future editions.

09-01-2012 23:24

conceptsingh

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hey guys i tried downloading it and its a virus on my laptop......

09-01-2012 23:53

Curtis Todd

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

The game is not a virus. Several people have stated that Norton sees the setup file as a threat and very few have said that Norton sees the actual game as a threat. However, I assure you there is nothing at all to worry about with the game. We are working on a more convenient way for teams to download and install the game without Norton thinking that it is a suspicious file.

09-01-2012 23:54

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

Will it ever be Mac-friendly?

10-01-2012 09:01

Alan Anderson

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

You didn't answer the question: Why? Why must one log on in order to play? What reason is there to prevent a team from running multiple instances? How can the simulator be played without requiring an unrestricted connection to the Internet?

10-01-2012 09:37

soxfan269

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

Curtis, will there ever be an update that eliminates these one per computer at a time restrictions?

10-01-2012 13:44

soxfan269

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

Will there ever be the capability for multiple computers to play at once. It would be nice because then everyone on our team good go home and test with it and then report their findings without having to wait for each person to get off.

10-01-2012 14:36

Molten

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

If each team can only use one computer at a time, how could a team play an actual game where all 6 bots are being controlled by a person? I might be missing it, but wouldn't that be the goal of such a program? Perhaps all 6 people have to share 1 keyboard somehow?

Jason

10-01-2012 14:39

Chris is me

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

If your goal is to get more FRC students interested in your software, DRM is only going to hurt you.

11-01-2012 23:58

hdastwb

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

Considering it's written around the XNA framework and links as an appref, I doubt they could get it to work on any non-µ$oft machine without entirely re-writing it. It is written with Visual C#, correct?

12-01-2012 00:01

ratdude747

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

and you wonder why linux is my main OS (minus labview use)... oh well, maybe team titanium might make another simulator that is free...

12-01-2012 01:04

Flimsor

Re: pic: Our High Score in Catalyst 2012

This is impressive. I myself got 103 with one robot alone. Unfortunately this is simulated, so I think that the scores will probably only be 200 max, but it still gives us a good idea of how high the scores are going to be.

I'm wondering if there's a way to get the game to think a joystick is an xbox controller so we could use that. Just for early driver practice. I know you could run it through a controller emulator, but I can't find one that works with the game.