10-03-2013 20:14

Gregor

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Or the right place, depending on who you are asking.

10-03-2013 20:19

dcarr

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That wouldn't invalidate a climb would it?

10-03-2013 20:22

EricH

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Depending on how you want to call it, it might actually move the robot up a couple of levels... though I don't think this was a strategy to inhibit.

10-03-2013 20:23

dcarr

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Makes sense. Accidentally getting a frisbee stuck under a robot != throwing a frisbee and hitting a robot with a climb in progress.

11-03-2013 07:48

thedude019

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couldn't the red alliance get a foul for the disk or the blue get a 30 pt climb points?

11-03-2013 15:08

AlexC

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unless i am mistaken, if the ref deemed it intentional blue would be rewarded a 30 point climb.

11-03-2013 15:28

Becca334

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I remember this match, I was on the red alliance. All of the refs came out and spent around 5 minutes determining if it was/was not a valid climb. It ended up being called as an unintentional disc throw and 4797 received no climbing points. But this match got replayed due to field comm issues throughout the match.

11-03-2013 15:36

dcarr

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Match reply aside, that seems like a weird decision to me. If the robot is off the ground (contacting a disc, but not the field), how could that be invalid.

11-03-2013 15:40

jblay

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The climb was ruled valid, it was our climb that was ruled invalid because we had something hanging off the bot and touching the ground. 4797's counted, our argument was that an opponents hp throw is not allowed to interfere with the climb. It didn't end up making a difference in the score anyway and the match was replayed for field issues regardless. Looking back maybe we should have gotten credit for a 30 point climb, but then again there was far from any intent to it by the red alliance.

11-03-2013 15:41

dcarr

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Ah got it, misunderstood the first time around.

11-03-2013 23:22

Leav

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I was going to say that according to <g30>, in order for the climbing team to get the 50 penalty+climb points, It doesn't have to intentional, it has to be either purposeful or consequential, but then I reread the rules and saw that it only governs robot-robot interactions.

the climb should count, because no rules say it has to be fully supported by the pyramid. the red alliance should receive no penalties since they did nothing against the rules, intentional or not.

12-03-2013 00:15

Nuttyman54

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The applicable rule here is G16, but G16 does NOT invalidate a climb, even if the disc was used to aid it. G16 implies only two things:

1) If you are off the floor, and performed a legal climb, the climb counts, no matter what.

2) If the referee determines the disc placement was a strategy employed by either alliance, somebody gets a Tech Foul. A 30pt climb is also awarded if opponents inhibited the climb.

Remember folks, a legal climb only requires sequential contact and not contacting more than 2 levels at once. Like Leav said, support by the pyramid is not part of climb legality.

This results in the following possible rulings for discs affecting climbs:

Ruling A) The disc was strategically used by Red to inhibit the Blue climb, therefore G16 was violated. Blue receives credit for a Level 3 climb, and Red receives a Tech Foul. (Frankly, with that disc placement I don't see how anyone can claim it's anything but a coincidence/lucky shot)

Ruling B) The disc was strategically used by Red to aid the Blue climb, therefore G16 was violated. Red receives a Tech Foul, but because it did not inhibit the Blue climb, Blue gets points for a Level 1 climb, because they legally climbed and the lowest point of their robot is in Level 1. (Again, the disc placement in question seems to defy any "strategic" connotations).

Ruling C) The disc was strategically used by Blue to aid the Blue climb, therefore G16 was violated. Blue receives a Tech Foul for aiding their climb, but Blue still gets points for a 10pt climb, because they legally climbed and the lowest point of their robot is in Level 1. (This one is really hard to justify as a strategy given the disc color in question, but depending on the circumstances could be relevant).

Ruling D) The disc was not used strategically by anyone to affect a climb, therefore G16 was not violated. Blue gets points for a 10pt climb, because they legally climbed and the lowest point of their robot is in Level 1.

It's a funny area where the climb was affected by the disc, but in this case I don't think there was any "strategy" to do so, so no rules are broken by doing so. Therefore, IMHO, the climb still counts and no fouls are awarded.

15-03-2013 15:58

mtaman02

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Idk, I like the way the logo is correctly facing and perfect placement of a dropped / landed frisbee lol. Def. a once in a life time thing - doubt it will be repeated.