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Helping hand for Human Player see link: http://www.amazon.com/Pentagon-Tools-Drywall-Stilt-Black/dp/
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08-01-2015 16:52
MattRain
Re: pic: Helping hand for Human Player see link: http://www.amazon.com/Pentagon-Tools
Interesting idea.... hmmmmmm
08-01-2015 18:00
cgmv123
Re: pic: Helping hand for Human Player see link: http://www.amazon.com/Pentagon-Tools
This would definitely be a violation of T21. https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...-alliance-wall
08-01-2015 18:55
alexander.h
Re: pic: Helping hand for Human Player see link: http://www.amazon.com/Pentagon-Tools
Now, what would happen if one Human Player put another one on his/her shoulders? Does this break any rules? (Forget the fact that this is a crazy idea.)
08-01-2015 21:54
Whippet
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Now, what would happen if one Human Player put another one on his/her shoulders? Does this break any rules? (Forget the fact that this is a crazy idea.)
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Originally Posted by 2015 Game Manual
G5 Only one ALLIANCE member may be in each HUMAN PLAYER ZONE at a time.
VIOLATION: FOUL. Additional FOUL for each TOTE entered onto the FIELD while in violation of this rule. |
08-01-2015 21:58
EricH
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Like this?
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In the event of the answer being in favor of the latter, one HP standing on another's shoulders just might be legal...
...GIVEN that it is possible to do that SAFELY! (BTW, not a given at all!)
08-01-2015 23:02
BBray_T1296
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This would definitely be a violation of T21. https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...-alliance-wall
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08-01-2015 23:05
asid61
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Is it though? I am allowed to wear shoes. Are boots with a 1" sole illegal while normal shoes with .5" soles are legal? what about (in this case) shoes with 18" soles. I see no line in the sand
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08-01-2015 23:12
IronicDeadBird
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You might get away with heels (maybe, I don't know the rules for footwear on the field) but I can't see anything bigger than that being allowed. Common sense.
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10-01-2015 01:30
Wetzel
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Is it though? I am allowed to wear shoes. Are boots with a 1" sole illegal while normal shoes with .5" soles are legal? what about (in this case) shoes with 18" soles. I see no line in the sand
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10-01-2015 11:50
alexander.h
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There is currently a question in Q&A about WHERE the noodles can be thrown from (HP zone only, or anywhere behind the wall). Q26.
In the event of the answer being in favor of the latter, one HP standing on another's shoulders just might be legal... ...GIVEN that it is possible to do that SAFELY! (BTW, not a given at all!) |
10-01-2015 12:10
Tuba4
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This would definitely be a violation of T21. https://frc-qa.usfirst.org/Question/...-alliance-wall
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10-01-2015 12:20
alexander.h
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Would this in fact be a violation? Not to lawyer things up but the device itself has nothing to do with the actual throwing or "casting". Just sayin'
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10-01-2015 12:25
alexander.h
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That's what I was thinking too! Hmmm ... I think I'll get a question up on the Q&A with more detail ...
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I would just like you to ask if we are allowed to use something that aids the Human Player in throwing the litter over the Alliance Wall without it touching the litter.
Thanks!
10-01-2015 13:17
cglrcng
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Imagine the wall building w/ Grey/Yellow Totes and Litter around the Human Player Zones that will be going on "DURING THE 15 second AUTO PERIODS", since up to 9 Drivers and Human Players on each alliance appears to be able & may participate in the activity (as long as Drivers don't step over that all important start line, and only 1 Human Player steps into each HPZ of course)...Yes, they did say "Change was coming!" (Rarely do they allow real game work to take place during the Auto Period). Hybrid -Auto excepted of course.
See the Q&A question/answer dealing with that issue Drive/HP Teams! They are letting you get those game pcs. closer to you than the orig. field reset positions it certainly appears. I'll bet that is going to make the Field Reset Volunteers so, so very happy though, if you move them up, and do not actually use them all...LOL. 
(Well, at least they will still be closer to reset than the pcs. actually entered onto the field).
10-01-2015 13:19
cglrcng
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Actually, could someone please get a question up for me in the Q&A?
I would just like you to ask if we are allowed to use something that aids the Human Player in throwing the litter over the Alliance Wall without it touching the litter. Thanks! |
10-01-2015 13:20
EricH
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So, I guess that it would be legal for one person to stand on another's shoulders to throw the noodles, right?
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10-01-2015 13:47
alexander.h
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Check the Q&A Alexander....Asked & answered already.
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10-01-2015 14:07
alexander.h
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Check the Q&A Alexander....Asked & answered already.
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Q. Is it acceptable to create and use a device to aid or enhance the human player in casting litter over the alliance wall? A.No, a device used to cast LITTER over the ALLIANCE WALL would not meet the requirements of "Special Equipment Rules" as outlined in Section 5.5.8, T21. |
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The only equipment, provided it does not jam or interfere with the remote sensing capabilities of another Team, including vision systems, acoustic range finders, sonars, infrared proximity detectors, etc. (e.g. including imagery that, to a reasonably astute observer, mimics the Vision Guides), that may be brought in to the ALLIANCE STATION are as follows: A. the OPERATOR CONSOLE, B. non-powered signaling devices, C. reasonable decorative items, D. special clothing and/or equipment required due to a disability E. devices used solely for the purpose of planning or tracking strategy provided they meet all of the following conditions:
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10-01-2015 15:02
alexander.h
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So, in conclusion, the stilts mentioned in the very beginning of this post would be illegal according to T21 E3 ...
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T21 The only equipment [...] that may be brought in to the ALLIANCE STATION are as follows: [...] E. devices used solely for the purpose of planning or tracking strategy provided they meet all of the following conditions: [...] 3. do not connect or attach to another ALLIANCE member |
And then there's the idea of moon boots, shoe-stilts and super-thick soled shoes which needs clarification as well ...
10-01-2015 15:16
alexander.h
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So, in fact, if the height was already incorporated into the shoes, and not an add-on like the stilts, it would be legal ... or am I wrong?
14-01-2015 15:38
Brandon Zalinsky
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Why does any of it matter? Be reasonable. Are you really going to be able to get any force behind a noodle when you're standing, or worse, sitting, on someone's shoulders? Please don't post Q&As just for the sake of argument, there are more important questions that should be answered.
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