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Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

MikLast

By: MikLast
New: 01-08-2018 10:03 PM
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Top-Down Orthographic View of the Field

Simple top down view of the field. No markings, no extra logos, no points charts, nothing except the field.

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01-09-2018 02:28 AM

sanddrag


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Not bad, but note this is a perspective view, not an orthographic view.

Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?



01-09-2018 02:37 AM

NShep98


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Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?
Is this the place to point that out?



01-09-2018 05:29 AM

StarryNebula


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Thanks for this!



01-09-2018 08:44 AM

kgiosi


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Thanks for taking the time to help out other teams.



01-09-2018 09:10 AM

cbale2000


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Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?
Not to go too off topic, but there is a LOT of name overlap in FRC teams, it's not like new teams are expected to search through all the thousands of team names out there and come up with something original.



01-09-2018 10:27 AM

Lil' Lavery


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Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?
It's almost as if "Circuit Breakers" were a common electrical component frequently associated with electrical engineering and robotics.



01-09-2018 11:00 AM

Zack-5421


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01-09-2018 11:06 AM

MikLast


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Not bad, but note this is a perspective view, not an orthographic view.
Unless Blender lied to me, its orthographic...

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Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?
I actually pointed this out to you a couple years ago! I also got a NASA poster from you guys for having the same team name in Houston this year. And yes, theyre very aware. We poke fun at it all the time.

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Is this the place to point that out?
100%. Why do it in a DM?

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It's almost as if "Circuit Breakers" were a common electrical component frequently associated with electrical engineering and robotics.
IIRC theres like 6 active "Circuit Breakers," the newest being a rookie this year from Washington.



01-09-2018 11:09 AM

firecrafty


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Unless Blender lied to me, its orthographic...

It's perspective, notice how you can see how the 3d ends of the field "pop out" and kind of extend outward. If it were orthographic, it would appear as 2d and flat.



01-09-2018 11:17 AM

egaudet


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Not to go too off topic, but there is a LOT of name overlap in FRC teams, it's not like new teams are expected to search through all the thousands of team names out there and come up with something original.
I agree. We found another team (older than us) that has the same name and even the same colours. But they weren't angry with us. Last year at Worlds, we met them, took a picture together and exchanged gear (shirts, etc.).

That's FIRST core values!



01-09-2018 11:51 AM

GeeTwo


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It's perspective, notice how you can see how the 3d ends of the field "pop out" and kind of extend outward. If it were orthographic, it would appear as 2d and flat.
More specifically, you can see the inner faces alliance and portal walls. In orthographic, you'd just see the tops. Figures 3-2 and 3-3 in the game manual are orthographic.



01-10-2018 12:04 AM

sanddrag


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Not to derail this thread, but I did want to address a few things mentioned, and I'll hopefully take any further discussion by PM.

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I actually pointed this out to you a couple years ago! I also got a NASA poster from you guys for having the same team name in Houston this year.
I don't recall. I've had a busy past couple years. I am curious about this poster though. I don't recall us ever having any NASA posters to give out to anyone. Perhaps you have us confused with someone else? Or maybe our students did something that I am not aware of.
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I agree. We found another team (older than us) that has the same name and even the same colours. But they weren't angry with us.... That's FIRST core values!
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Not to go too off topic, but there is a LOT of name overlap in FRC teams, it's not like new teams are expected to search through all the thousands of team names out there and come up with something original.
So if I started a new team, and just to happened to have named it the "Cheesy Poofs" or "Simbotics" or "Citrus Circuits" or "Robowranglers" that would be okay? If I started a business that made rockets that launch satellites, and decided to name it SpaceX that would be okay? If I started a big-box hardware and materials store and called it Home Depot that would be okay? In my mind, due diligence is a part of naming your team. In this day and age of the internet, TBA, and Google, it's easier than ever to do your due diligence when naming a team, to make sure the name is unique. It's beneficial to all teams to have unique names and brands to avoid confusion.
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More specifically, you can see the inner faces alliance and portal walls. In orthographic, you'd just see the tops.
This is accurate.



01-10-2018 08:33 AM

egaudet


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So if I started a new team, and just to happened to have named it the "Cheesy Poofs" or "Simbotics" or "Citrus Circuits" or "Robowranglers" that would be okay? If I started a business that made rockets that launch satellites, and decided to name it SpaceX that would be okay? If I started a big-box hardware and materials store and called it Home Depot that would be okay? In my mind, due diligence is a part of naming your team. In this day and age of the internet, TBA, and Google, it's easier than ever to do your due diligence when naming a team, to make sure the name is unique. It's beneficial to all teams to have unique names and brands to avoid confusion.
For FRC, yes, it would be okay if you came up with it on your own and it's just coincidence. I don't know if you remember your rookie year but there is SO MUCH info to wrap your head around that checking to see if your name is original is probably not even close to being on your radar.

For the corporate world, you have to do a name search before you incorporate so there's known procedure. It usually involves lawyers.

Now if FIRST actually did a check on their end and said "hey guys, that's name's already taken", I'd be okay with that. Actually I'm surprised they don't do that.

Sorry to keep this off-topic but I think it's important to not attack a team on something like this, especially given the values of FIRST. It happened, we accept it. Move on.



01-10-2018 08:45 AM

robochick1319


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For FRC, yes, it would be okay if you came up with it on your own and it's just coincidence. I don't know if you remember your rookie year but there is SO MUCH info to wrap your head around that checking to see if your name is original is probably not even close to being on your radar.

For the corporate world, you have to do a name search before you incorporate so there's known procedure. It usually involves lawyers.

Now if FIRST actually did a check on their end and said "hey guys, that's name's already taken", I'd be okay with that. Actually I'm surprised they don't do that.

Sorry to keep this off-topic but I think it's important to not attack a team on something like this, especially given the values of FIRST. It happened, we accept it. Move on.
Not to mention there ARE companies with the same or very similar names. And names like Cheezy Poofs and Simbotics are rather unique, specific names so they are less likely to be copied anyway. But calling yourself Robo+your school mascot or a generic engineering term is not unique enough to expect no other school team to do the same.

And if someone does take your name (intentionally or not) it's on you to make your team stand out using team colors, graphics, unique robot design, etc.

But back onto the subject of this thread, thanks for this view of the field! +1



01-10-2018 09:44 AM

MikLast


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I don't recall. I've had a busy past couple years. I am curious about this poster though. I don't recall us ever having any NASA posters to give out to anyone. Perhaps you have us confused with someone else? Or maybe our students did something that I am not aware of.
Ill see if i can find it in the shop this afternoon.

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It's perspective, notice how you can see how the 3d ends of the field "pop out" and kind of extend outward. If it were orthographic, it would appear as 2d and flat.
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More specifically, you can see the inner faces alliance and portal walls. In orthographic, you'd just see the tops. Figures 3-2 and 3-3 in the game manual are orthographic.
Looked this morning, my view was orthographic but the render camera's was in persepctive. This is a perspective image of the field
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In my mind, due diligence is a part of naming your team. In this day and age of the internet, TBA, and Google, it's easier than ever to do your due diligence when naming a team, to make sure the name is unique.
Back in 2014, our team didnt know that TBA existed. It wasnt something that ever came up. In our minds, if it was an issue TIMS would of yelled at our mentor for being a name "already taken" or something. Heck, it hasnt stopped a team from naming themselves the "Circuit Breakers" this year. Its not like this is the only instance either. Theres 3 teams using "Robostangs," 4 "Full Metal Jackets" (one even before 1296) and a ton of teams using "Dragons" or a slightly altered version of it. Its not like we're trying to steal your image or something.



01-10-2018 01:14 PM

Lil' Lavery


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So if I started a new team, and just to happened to have named it the "Cheesy Poofs" or "Simbotics" or "Citrus Circuits" or "Robowranglers" that would be okay? If I started a business that made rockets that launch satellites, and decided to name it SpaceX that would be okay? If I started a big-box hardware and materials store and called it Home Depot that would be okay? In my mind, due diligence is a part of naming your team. In this day and age of the internet, TBA, and Google, it's easier than ever to do your due diligence when naming a team, to make sure the name is unique. It's beneficial to all teams to have unique names and brands to avoid confusion.
Large corporations are obviously protected by trademark laws. The importance of their name extends just beyond marketing and brand recognition, it also serves as consumer protection. For instance, I know I have a lifetime warranty on Craftsman tools, which wouldn't be present from a knockoff Craftsman. It serves the public's interest to protect these trademarks to avoid counterfeits.

Within FRC, there are not the same considerations. While a unique brand may help a team, simply naming your team first does not give you exclusivity over the name. You can grant yourself a decent bit of brand protection by picking a unique or highly uncommon name, such as "Simbotics" (which draws from Governor Simcoe Secondary School), which would be highly unlikely to be replicated by another team elsewhere. Using a generic term frequently associated with robotics and electrical engineering such as "Circuit Breaker" offers no such notions of uniqueness. It's asinine to assume that because you incorporated a generic engineering term into your name at an earlier date that no other team should be allowed to also use the same term.



01-10-2018 01:29 PM

SamcFuchs


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Sometimes I'm genuinely impressed by Chief Delphi's ability to go off topic. Is this a record?



01-10-2018 01:38 PM

lukekaiser


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I believe Sanddrag is trying to say that before his very original team name there was no such thing as circuit breakers he should have trademarked it! Darn-it-all!

Also I agree with Sam.

Also great looking overhead view



01-10-2018 01:47 PM

Monochron


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So if I started a new team, and just to happened to have named it the "Cheesy Poofs" or "Simbotics" or "Citrus Circuits" or "Robowranglers" that would be okay? If I started a business that made rockets that launch satellites, and decided to name it SpaceX that would be okay?
We had a rookie team last year nearby that called themselves Robonauts. Sure it's not ideal, but most people just find it humorous.



01-10-2018 08:54 PM

MikLast


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Sometimes I'm genuinely impressed by Chief Delphi's ability to go off topic. Is this a record?
We could go farther. I doubt this was the worst.

Back on topic, I went back and properly made the orthographic field in 4k this time, and in perspective too if anyone wanted that.



01-11-2018 02:20 AM

RoboChair


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But we aren't companies, we are high school teams. A lot of high school sports/school mascots have overlapping names, it's more common than not in high school sports I would wager. That's why we also have our team numbers to make us unique.

Just look at the Wikipedia disambiguation page for the Blue Devils, the mascot and team identity of the Davis Senior High School sports teams.



01-11-2018 02:29 AM

RoboChair


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We could go farther. I doubt this was the worst.

Back on topic, I went back and properly made the orthographic field in 4k this time, and in perspective too if anyone wanted that.
This resolution pleases me!



01-11-2018 02:43 AM

anishde


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So if I started a new team, and just to happened to have named it the "Cheesy Poofs" or "Simbotics" or "Citrus Circuits" or "Robowranglers" that would be okay? If I started a business that made rockets that launch satellites, and decided to name it SpaceX that would be okay? If I started a big-box hardware and materials store and called it Home Depot that would be okay? In my mind, due diligence is a part of naming your team. In this day and age of the internet, TBA, and Google, it's easier than ever to do your due diligence when naming a team, to make sure the name is unique. It's beneficial to all teams to have unique names and brands to avoid confusion.
Not to drag this topic on longer than it has to go, but to accuse another team of copying a generic robotics-related name is definitely not GP. Not one of the 7+ teams who are currently called "Circuit Breakers" (or an alternate form) invented the concept, and they definitely don't have a patent registration over that name - just like our team can't claim to have invented dogs.



01-11-2018 02:55 AM

EricH


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I believe Sanddrag is trying to say that before his very original team name there was no such thing as circuit breakers he should have trademarked it! Darn-it-all!
*plants tongue firmly in cheek*
Except he's wrong.

sanddrag, the NASA/JPL Southern California Circuit Breakers would like to talk. Since their first season in 1997, they have 25 Regional wins, 2 Division wins, and additionally 1 Championship Finalist and 4 Championship Wins.

This sounds impressive, except that particular team went through a couple of splits in the following years, resulting in three teams (and the founding lead mentor now mentors a fourth, with a higher number than 696). The number for the original team was 61, as I recall, but that was during the time that FIRST didn't see the benefit of fixed numbers for the teams and sorted by sponsor name instead, so someone else has that number now.

Exactly which three (four) teams I'm referring to... well, that's left as an exercise for the reader. One of them has a similarly-named team AND a similarly-named offseason event, just as a hint.

(And I will admit that as a young team member, or pre-team-member, I may have thought that 696 was swiping the name. )


*removes tongue from cheek*

Nice view of the field, even if the view type listed was wrong.



01-11-2018 05:34 AM

Koko Ed


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Not to go too off topic, but there is a LOT of name overlap in FRC teams, it's not like new teams are expected to search through all the thousands of team names out there and come up with something original.
I remember going to the Buckeye regional years ago and there were three Robocats teams present.



01-11-2018 06:09 AM

bobbysq


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Not to go too off topic, but there is a LOT of name overlap in FRC teams, it's not like new teams are expected to search through all the thousands of team names out there and come up with something original.
I was shocked to find out that there's no other Team ASAP out in FRC. Basically every other well known acronym has been used, and it took until 2013 to choose the one most applicable to FRC? (More or less, depending on interpretation)



01-12-2018 08:42 PM

LukeB


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Heck, it hasnt stopped a team from naming themselves the "Circuit Breakers" this year.
Excuse you, they're the "Centralia Circuit Breakers #6959." Clearly a world of difference there



01-13-2018 02:15 PM

AdamHeard


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Sounds like in the spirit of gracious professionalism and being
Consistent with one's own statements 696 is obligated to rebrand as not the Circuit Breakers.

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*plants tongue firmly in cheek*
Except he's [i]wrong[/I

sanddrag, the NASA/JPL Southern California Circuit Breakers would like to talk. Since their first season in 1997, they have 25 Regional wins, 2 Division wins, and additionally 1 Championship Finalist and 4 Championship Wins.

This sounds impressive, except that particular team went through a couple of splits in the following years, resulting in three teams (and the founding lead mentor now mentors a fourth, with a higher number than 696). The number for the original team was 61, as I recall, but that was during the time that FIRST didn't see the benefit of fixed numbers for the teams and sorted by sponsor name instead, so someone else has that number now.

Exactly which three (four) teams I'm referring to... well, that's left as an exercise for the reader. One of them has a similarly-named team AND a similarly-named offseason event, just as a hint.

(And I will admit that as a young team member, or pre-team-member, I may have thought that 696 was swiping the name. )


*removes tongue from cheek*

Nice view of the field, even if the view type listed was wrong.



01-13-2018 04:24 PM

notmattlythgoe


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Also, is your team aware that another team (696) had the name and brand "Circuit Breakers" a full decade before your team ever came into existence?
If only there were other examples of this. Oh wait there are. A crap ton in fact...



01-13-2018 07:18 PM

JVN


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So if I started a new team, and just to happened to have named it the "Cheesy Poofs" or "Simbotics" or "Citrus Circuits" or "Robowranglers" that would be okay?
I’ve been saying for years, if I ever started a rookie team it would be named the “Cheesy Poofs”. Is that not ok? Now I’m sad.

If that’s not okay I bet the Simbots would be cool with it.



01-13-2018 07:35 PM

KaranY


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I’ve been saying for years, if I ever started a rookie team it would be named the “Cheesy Poofs”.
Just name your team the "Cheesy Pooofs"



01-13-2018 07:42 PM

PayneTrain


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I don't really get where this argument is coming from, imo.



01-14-2018 02:13 AM

Haydunce


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IIRC theres like 6 active "Circuit Breakers," the newest being a rookie this year from Washington.
So what you're telling me is there's a chance for an all circuit breakers showdown at this years championships?



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