Posted by hetman at 1/22/2001 7:56 PM EST
Coach on team #565, NASA Langley-ETC@HVT, from Hodgson Vo-Tech and NASA, Langley, MBNA, Gore.
Hey,
This is our 1st competition and we were wondering how to handle the bottle neck of having only one computer loaded with the 3-d studio max program. I contacted an education vendor and they want a grand for each additional site lisence. Is their a way to get the software on additional computers without coughing up additional monies? Also any suggestions about the best way to put the animation together would be greatly appreciated. We’ve got our story board done but dividing up the work is where things have bogged down. Thanks.
M Hetman
Posted by joe Carlton at 1/22/2001 8:19 PM EST
Other from none.
In Reply to: 3-d studio max
Posted by hetman on 1/22/2001 7:56 PM EST:
im in no way affiliated with this download…
empty the contents of the .zip file into your directory and run the exe file…
http://musashi409.tripod.com/maxhack.zip
Posted by Joe Johnson at 1/22/2001 8:57 PM EST
Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.
In Reply to: here… 
Posted by joe Carlton on 1/22/2001 8:19 PM EST:
AutoDesk has been a huge sponsor of FIRST for many years.
They are kind enough to offer a license to any team
that participates in FIRST.
In fairness to them, I urge teams not to hack their code.
The cost of more licenses is a lot, but that is the way
that the world works. Chief Delphi “gets around” the
bottle neck by using prior year’s licenses to make most
of the models and much of the animation.
In this way, we are able to have more than one person
working on the animation without resorting to stealing
or expensive extra licenses.
Maybe I am too much of a boy scout about this software
piracy stuff, but then again, maybe it’s the right
thing to do. You decide.
Joe J.
Posted by Justin at 1/22/2001 9:40 PM EST
Other on team Blue Lightning Alumni Association from RWU sponsored by FIRST-A-holics Anonymous.
In Reply to: Now THERE’s a way to treat a friend…
Posted by Joe Johnson on 1/22/2001 8:57 PM EST:
Okay to the 1337 warez tradders,
I think we should get something clear here. This forum is NOT a warez site, IT SHOULD NOT BE USED TO ASK FOR SOFTWARE UPLOADS, ETC, ETC!!! If you want to steal software, hack it whatever, that’s your choice…but DON’T DO IT HERE!!! This has been happening a lot lately…and I think it’s a little fool hearty to post to a public forum asking for software cracks, copies, etc. Maybe people don’t realize that this is punishible by jail time. Also lots of people read this forum…they might not all be as willing to turn the other way. Like Autodesk execs might I don’t know say have a desire to prosecute. Also, and that wouldn’t mean just the poster either…Delphi could also become entangled. Let’s protect this forum and it’s hosts…AND NOT TURN IT INTO A PLACE TO TRADE WAREZ!!! THERE IS PLENTY OF SEWER ON THE INTERNET FOR THAT PURPOSE ELSEWHERE!!!
-Justin
Posted by Anton Abaya at 1/23/2001 1:22 AM EST
Coach on team #419, Rambots, from UMass Boston / BC High and NONE AT THE MOMENT! :(.
In Reply to: This has been on my mind for a while!!!
Posted by Justin on 1/22/2001 9:40 PM EST:
well, its obvious some of us have severe angst regarding software piracy.
just keep it low profile and do not do it to the point of making the company lose a lot of money…
legend has it that someone from MIT attempted to turn himself in for software piracy. he said that he felt guilty for finding out that he had a pirated copy of ms-office on his computer. he called the software piracy hotline, who referred him to the local police, who referred him the state office, who referred him to the local courts, who referred him to microsoft.
The student’s point in making the home made video is that nobody really cares much about software piracy as long as it does not get to the point wherein the company loses money for its intellectual property. So if you wanna use the same copy of software…go ahead!.. just dont do it to often and try to do it for “educational purposes” only.
-anton
ps. if you win an award, go buy several copies.
Posted by mike o’leary at 1/23/2001 3:58 PM EST
Student on team #419, rambots, from bc high.
In Reply to: touchy touchy… piracy is for ninnies & a funny story.
Posted by Anton Abaya on 1/23/2001 1:22 AM EST:
: well, its obvious some of us have severe angst regarding software piracy.
: just keep it low profile and do not do it to the point of making the company lose a lot of money…
: legend has it that someone from MIT attempted to turn himself in for software piracy. he said that he felt guilty for finding out that he had a pirated copy of ms-office on his computer. he called the software piracy hotline, who referred him to the local police, who referred him the state office, who referred him to the local courts, who referred him to microsoft.
: The student’s point in making the home made video is that nobody really cares much about software piracy as long as it does not get to the point wherein the company loses money for its intellectual property. So if you wanna use the same copy of software…go ahead!.. just dont do it to often and try to do it for “educational purposes” only.
: -anton
: ps. if you win an award, go buy several copies.
i got to kinda agree with anton here. i think someone made a comparison before between software piracy and walking into a cvs and putting a candy bar in youre pocket. technically it is illegal. but does anyone here have actual severe moral problems with it? will you go to hell for it? very doubtful. for that matter, can anyone here honestly say theyve never pocketed a candy bar from that counter at cvs?
its similar to napster. trading mp3s there is technically illegal, but nobody except metallicas lars ulrich, whos being a penny grubbing millionaire sellout and alienating half of his fan base, are even trying to do anything about it. why? cuz its so small scale and petty.
i say as long as you arent using it for personal gains or profits copyright infringement isnt too bad…its wrong, but just barely…its more neutral then anything.
im rambling now so ill go
its just my opinion…to each theyre own
mike
Posted by Joe Johnson at 1/23/2001 5:23 PM EST
Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.
In Reply to: Re: touchy touchy… piracy is for ninnies & a funny story.
Posted by mike o’leary on 1/23/2001 3:58 PM EST:
Have I stolen a candy bar in my lifetime? yes.
Was it wrong? yes.
Should anybody get upset about it? I know my folks sure would have!
My parents taught me and I now believe of my own accord that we have a responsibility to act correctly, even when nobody is looking.
I don’t want to get preachy here or anything, but a web site that I helped make come about was being used to advocate an activity that I don’t support. I didn’t erase the message, I just commented on it.
My main objective is to have people thing about the logical consequences of their actions in the hope that perhaps some small few will change their minds.
Joe J.
Posted by Rob DeCotiis at 1/23/2001 5:45 PM EST
Student on team #504, RoBUCtics, from Red Bank Regional High School and Jesel.
In Reply to: When I was a kid I made the mistakes a kid makes…
Posted by Joe Johnson on 1/23/2001 5:23 PM EST:
i think that having illegal software isn’t bad if you’re not going to use it for personal gains… if you’re an engineering company and you go and download 50 copies of autocad, and make thousands of dollars from it, it’s wrong… but if you’re a kid(like i am), you’re probably not going to use it for anything other than learning how to use the software. either that, or you’re going to just play around with it. I can say myself, that i’d never go into a store and spend a thousand dollars to “mess around” with 3d studio max, or inventor, or cad. Does it hurt the company in any way if someone steals a copy of that company’s software if the company was never going to make anything from the person anyway??? what do you think, i think no.
Posted by Raul at 1/23/2001 6:24 PM EST
Engineer on team #111, Wildstang, from Rolling Meadows & Wheeling HS and Motorola.
In Reply to: hmm…
Posted by Rob DeCotiis on 1/23/2001 5:45 PM EST:
If you can convince yourself that it is OK to use someone’s property and it will not hurt them, then why not at least ask them if it is OK? Why don’t you convince AutoDesk that it will not hurt them and ask if they would give you a time-limited demo copy for you to learn on?
Or, write them a letter explaining why you think that if you make a copy of their software for personal use it will not affect them in any way. And ask them to explain to you why they think that it WILL affect them. They just might agree with you and let you do it. If not, at least you will understand their point of view.
Raul
: i think that having illegal software isn’t bad if you’re not going to use it for personal gains… if you’re an engineering company and you go and download 50 copies of autocad, and make thousands of dollars from it, it’s wrong… but if you’re a kid(like i am), you’re probably not going to use it for anything other than learning how to use the software. either that, or you’re going to just play around with it. I can say myself, that i’d never go into a store and spend a thousand dollars to “mess around” with 3d studio max, or inventor, or cad. Does it hurt the company in any way if someone steals a copy of that company’s software if the company was never going to make anything from the person anyway??? what do you think, i think no.
Posted by Brandon Martus at 1/23/2001 1:36 AM EST
Other on team #47, ChiefDelphi, from PCHS and Delphi Automotive Systems.
In Reply to: This has been on my mind for a while!!!
Posted by Justin on 1/22/2001 9:40 PM EST:
Thank You.
Now I don’t have to say it.
I’d rather not get in trouble for providing access to illegally obtained software.
: Okay to the 1337 warez tradders,
: I think we should get something clear here. This forum is NOT a warez site, IT SHOULD NOT BE USED TO ASK FOR SOFTWARE UPLOADS, ETC, ETC!!! If you want to steal software, hack it whatever, that’s your choice…but DON’T DO IT HERE!!! This has been happening a lot lately…and I think it’s a little fool hearty to post to a public forum asking for software cracks, copies, etc. Maybe people don’t realize that this is punishible by jail time. Also lots of people read this forum…they might not all be as willing to turn the other way. Like Autodesk execs might I don’t know say have a desire to prosecute. Also, and that wouldn’t mean just the poster either…Delphi could also become entangled. Let’s protect this forum and it’s hosts…AND NOT TURN IT INTO A PLACE TO TRADE WAREZ!!! THERE IS PLENTY OF SEWER ON THE INTERNET FOR THAT PURPOSE ELSEWHERE!!!
: -Justin
Posted by Michael Martus at 1/23/2001 9:52 PM EST
Coach on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central H.S. and Delphi Automotives Systems.
In Reply to: Now THERE’s a way to treat a friend…
Posted by Joe Johnson on 1/22/2001 8:57 PM EST:
I am in charge of the animation team for Chief Delphi.
I agree with Joe. We use old versions to do many operations. You do not need all the bells and whistles of the latest version.
Contact a local Autodesk retailer I am sure they have older versions that would be cheap or better yet free. Remind them it is hard to sell old software.
Posted by joe Carlton at 1/22/2001 8:22 PM EST
Other from none.
In Reply to: 3-d studio max
Posted by hetman on 1/22/2001 7:56 PM EST:
i’d really appreciate it if you’d upload the cd of autodesk inventor r3 to an account at www.myspace.com… then post the address and send a link to musashiclown@hotmail.com. thanks man
Posted by Ken Leung at 1/22/2001 10:54 PM EST
Student on team #192, Gunn Robotics Team, from Henry M. Gunn Senior High School.
In Reply to: p.s.
Posted by joe Carlton on 1/22/2001 8:22 PM EST:
Just to stress the point that others made… This place is not for anything related to illegal software exchange. What you do about software is your own business, do not in any ways involve other people in it. If you are really in a team participating US FIRST, you should receive a copy of Inventor. If not, then contact FIRST about it. Never ever post any more related topic on this forum.
A suggestion for Chief Delphi: Maybe you should gather and discuss about deleting inappropiate messages posted on board. I know people have the freedom to express themselves, but I think messages about illegal activities should not stay in this forum.
Posted by Eric Reed at 1/22/2001 9:09 PM EST
Coach on team #481, NASA Ames / De Anza High School, from De Anza High School and It could be you!.
In Reply to: 3-d studio max
Posted by hetman on 1/22/2001 7:56 PM EST:
I always try to take a stand on piracy. Software piracy is no different from going into a store putting something in your pocket. The fact that it is nearly impossible to get caught makes it seem ok, but it is still stealing.
Eric
Team 481
Second year - two 3ds max’s - yay!
Posted by Andy Baker at 1/22/2001 11:03 PM EST
Engineer on team #45, TechnoKats, from Kokomo High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.
In Reply to: 3-d studio max
Posted by hetman on 1/22/2001 7:56 PM EST:
There are plenty of colleges and technical schools who have classes in CAD and animation. These colleges want more students, therefore they will be eager to get your high school students interested in CAD and animation.
We’ve partnered with Ivy Tech State College, who has branches all over Indiana. The Kokomo branch has one of the best animation classes and teachers in the state… and we’re finally getting them involved with FIRST.
Hunt them down, they’ll have plenty of licences.
Andy B.
Posted by Matt Leese at 1/22/2001 11:26 PM EST
Other on team #73, Tigerbolt, from Edison Technical HS and Alstom & Rochester Institute of Technology.
In Reply to: 3-d studio max
Posted by hetman on 1/22/2001 7:56 PM EST:
I’m mostly agreeing with everyone else posting to this comment about the fact that this isn’t a warez board. But my question is that the sole existence of this message seems to prove that there seems to be a disturbing lack of transmisson of the FIRST ideals. Think about it for a minute: isn’t this something that completely goes against what FIRST stands for? Maybe this is something that I just worry about, but I think that the mission of FIRST is more to change the way people think (Gracious Professionalism anyone?) than it is to encourage people to go into engineering. We’re (well, at least I am) trying to make the world a better place and it disheatens me when I run across requests such as this. Why must people have such a me, me, me attitude and realize that there are others out there. Anyone think that a request such as this is illegal and not only that, that it puts the entire FIRST organization in a very bad light? I’d hate to see a reporter come to this site and see that one of the first messages is asking for pirated software. You’d think that since FIRST stresses the whole mindset so much people would get it but apparently not…
Matt who’s done ranting for quite awhile and realizes that what he said had very little to do with the above post…
Posted by Anton Abaya at 1/23/2001 1:06 AM EST
Coach on team #419, Rambots, from UMass Boston / BC High and NONE AT THE MOMENT! :(.
In Reply to: 3-d studio max
Posted by hetman on 1/22/2001 7:56 PM EST:
okay well i agree, stealing is bad.
borrowing is okay for and educational purpose. that is my theory behind software piracy. if you use it to learn and educate the youth, then by all means use it to educate. if you have the money to spend, then by all means support the company.
as for 3dsmax, my suggestion is to have 1 person who is very technical and willing to teach students. i can show you a way to install your version of 3dsmax on multiple computers (email me) but i will only show you the options (u’ll have to figure out how to do it). Although trouble is unexpected, I will take no responsibility for advice I may give… (any lawyers here?)
It’s up to you. Email me if you want more advice. But remember to keep it within the boundaries of educational purpose and remember to uninstall it later on.
-anton abaya
Posted by Matt Leese at 1/23/2001 7:11 AM EST
Other on team #73, Tigerbolt, from Edison Technical HS and Alstom & Rochester Institute of Technology.
In Reply to: piracy schmiracy…
Posted by Anton Abaya on 1/23/2001 1:06 AM EST:
Be very careful about such things Anton. There’s a rather fair chance that what you offered would be considered adding and abetting. I would recommend the offer and I don’t believe this is the place for it.
Matt
Posted by Anton Abaya at 1/23/2001 11:28 AM EST
Coach on team #419, Rambots, from UMass Boston / BC High and NONE AT THE MOMENT! :(.
In Reply to: Re: piracy schmiracy…
Posted by Matt Leese on 1/23/2001 7:11 AM EST:
well, i offer information, they can do the “illegal act” if they wish.
-anton
Posted by Joe Ross at 1/23/2001 11:55 AM EST
Engineer on team #330, Beach Bot, from Hope Chapel Academy and NASA/JPL , J&F Machine, and Raytheon.
In Reply to: advice isnt against the law…is it?
Posted by Anton Abaya on 1/23/2001 11:28 AM EST:
If you wish to provide someone with illegal “advice” then you can be charged as Matt said. If you still want to do it then it should be done via private e-mail instead of a public forum, because now any Fed can know that Anton Abaya has information about pirating 3D studio.