Interesting development at Midwest - a robot started out on top of another robot before autonomous. 111 went 1 on 3 the entire match (kudos to little ol’ 2041 for their incessant defense - my new favorite robot), but the Stang alliance ended up winning anyway. The bonus points counted, but the robot “tandem” was kept inside the home zone. I couldn’t tell from the webcast - were they disabled? If so, what was the reasoning? Sounds like a fun YMTC…
You are saying the robots were setup that way at the beginning of the match? One on top of the other? Any it counted? Darn, why didn’t we ever think of that!
Yes it counted, but I still want to know why the robots weren’t allowed outside of their home zone. Maybe they didn’t want to move?
I think they chose to just sit there to guarantee the 30 point bonus.
Rumor has it Raul came up with this strategy.
That is an awesome strategy. I have thought about that tatic, but never decided to implement it. Great job Wildstang and alliance! :yikes:
The idea was probably bounced around by a bunch of teams, and was even discussed on Delphi. Raul might have been the first one with the stones to actually use it though :rolleyes:
kudos on the brilliant strategy! Our team never even thought of that! However, one reason they may not have left home zone was because it was too risky driving a robot around with another on top…I know I have seen robots that would be “safe” doing that!
But who among us has the intestinal fortitude to actually stack one robot on top of another on top of another??? :ahh: Takes the right kind of alliance (and opponent). I’d love to see that conglomeration move outside the home zone.
Since I didn’t see it I assume the robot on the bottom didn’t violate the starting size (28" x 38" x X") restriction? Anyone grab a picture that they can post?
No pictures, but that is correct - all robots have to fulfill the starting dimension requirements.
This is absolutely crazy… u get points for people placing a robot on top of another robot before the match starts? isnt the point of the bonuses for robots to get themselves up? I totally do not approve of this rule and am astonished it was allowed by FIRST
I smell an update coming…:rolleyes:
I agree with you here. The only time I would not mind this is if one of the robots was “piggy backing” another robot the whole match. Like a scorer secured to another bot so that the team still had a chance scoring. I think that is what the ultimate test would be. But think about how good those teams have to coordinate the effort.
7.3.3.1 Starting Conditions
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[LEFT]Starting positions - At the beginning of a match, the three alliance ROBOTS must be placed
[LEFT]entirely inside their HOME ZONE. It is the responsibility of the head referee to verify that this
rule is satisfied prior to the start of the match. The match will not be started until all robots
are in the starting position.
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maximum weight. It is the responsibility of the head referee to verify that this rule is satisfied prior to the start of the match. The head referee may call for an inspector's recertification of
the ROBOT size and weight prior to the start of any match.
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I believe both robots satisfied the above rules. This strategy has a lot of risk attached to it - you are basically removing 2 of your alliance robots from performing any useful activities for the bulk of the match.
I want to see an alliance make a robot 3-stack, just for the heck of it.
I predict Dave will celebrate this strategy. That’s all he can do given the current rules, which are clear.
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Nah… this seems too big of a thing to be completely left out of the rules.
It is a a very risky strategy though. In the best case, you give up one robot in a match (the one on top, bottom still drives) in the worst case it becomes 1v3 (staying in home zone).
It’s not such an exploitable strategy that it requires a rule change midway through the competition.
Seems like the work of Raul, nice going:D 
In this case, essentially the opposite is true - both robots in the “stack” were non-functional. This strategy allowed them to usefully contribute to the success of the alliance despite being broken.
YaY!