Accuracy of Wooden Trap Door vs Andy Mark Door

Hey Everyone!

Curious to those who have worked with both type of Trap Doors (The Wooden field element version and the andymark version https://www.andymark.com/products/frc-2024-am-5196?via=Z2lkOi8vYW5keW1hcmsvV29ya2FyZWE6Ok5hdmlnYXRpb246OlNlYXJjaFJlc3VsdHMvJTdCJTIyYnV0dG9uJTIyJTNBJTIyc2VhcmNoJTIyJTJDJTIycSUyMiUzQSUyMnN0YWdlJTIyJTJDJTIydXRmOCUyMiUzQSUyMiVFMiU5QyU5MyUyMiU3RA)

What your thoughts are on differences of the two doors.

Do you find one particular one to be harder to open? Similar force? Any other characteristics.

Just figured I’d ask. We’ll probably buy one if they are deemed different enough

Both about the same effort to open. The AM polycarb is immensely stickier for Notes than wood. This is a big deal. The other things that are not in either version are the stoppers and back edge of the chute. These limit how far the trap flap will open.

Highly recommend obtaining the AM door for your practice and adding the limits as shown in the field CAD.

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Also search here for TRAP and you’ll find lots of discussion about these differences.

ah okay fair.

Big difference. If done correctly, the amount of force needed to open the doors should be about the same.
We started testing with the wooden door. We were able to score NOTES from the floor with no problem. Like, 90%+ of the time.
Then we moved to a sheet of polycarb that we had laying around. Again, no real problems with the NOTE scoring. We would shoot the NOTE so that it hit roughly 1/2 -2/3 the way up the trap door. The NOTE would then slide up, hit the top horizontal bar, then slide down into the trap.
Then came the AndyMark door…
Again, the force needed to open the door is about the same. Any difference should be negligible. The problem comes from the stickiness of the new polycarb. The NOTE would hit it, come to a dead stop, then just bounce off. We went from almost 100% scores to near 0%. We did find, however, that the more you shoot NOTES at the door, the more slippery it gets. Probably NOTE material rubbing off.
The other HUGE thing to look out for (and is not tied directly to the AndyMark door) are the dog ears that act as stoppers on the backside of the chute. This really limits the travel of the door and severely affects the way the NOTE drops into the trap. This right here is a game changer, literally. If you are attempting to shoot into the Trap, you must simulate this to the best of your abilities. Check out the official drawings.
Hope this helps.

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The team version Trap TE-24200 includes this piece of wood, which limits how far the Trap door opens to exactly the same as the real field (3")

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We did find, however, that the more you shoot NOTES at the door, the more slippery it gets.

So spend some time during field calibration rubbing a note against the trap doors?

Or some steel wool(ly) to take the shine off. :grin:

The polycarb doors are super sticky (Real Andymark Door, hinge, and weights):

We also believe that the door gets slipper as it gets worn. We also think that external factors, including humidity and static buildup, will affect the slickness.

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We did install our own version of that but find that it might not accurately produce the same results as the real field version. The plywood provides a rigid backstop with no give. The field version is a piece of 1/8" polycarb that looks like it will have some give to it. We plan to modify our setup tomorrow and will let everyone know what we find. We hope that it will make the Trap shot more feasible.

Just in case anyone thinks this is not a joke: likely to be called as damaging the field and stopped. Just a friendly reminder.

Back to your regularly-scheduled humor: it’s like they want teams to interact with it in a certain way…

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This is super interesting. Guess as we go we’ll see the effects of that

Our current solution is using a cape to slide the note on Teflon instead of the trap door.

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This is awesome!

Ahh yes! We ventured off the beaten path for the stage and did not catch that. Thanks!

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