Activation Bonus Requirement Irks Me

Not sure why, but the scoring requirements for the activation bonus RP bugs the hell outta me.

26 pts are required

  • Auto possibilities
    • 0
    • 1 x 8
    • 1 x 12
  • Endgame
    • 0
    • (1~3) x 6
    • (1~3) x 10 …There are no partials here, the charge pad is either level and engaged or not

If you get 0 during auto, you have to have 3 engaged bots. OK, cool no issue, it should be harder


Here’s the part that bothers me.
If you dock during auto, endgame you need 3 docked or 2 engaged
wait for it
If you engage during auto, endgame you need … 3 docked or 2 engaged


Would it be too OP to make 24 pts the requirement?
That would allow the situation of only needed 2 docked if one can engage during auto.

22 would be to low, cause then 1 bot could solo it.


Just had to vent a bit

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Someone posted this somewhere and I’m pretty sure they’re right, but we’ll have to wait for the Q&A, basically they added park points in to this ranking point and I think it makes it make a lot more sense. But maybe it’s just supposed to not have park point and just be non sensical like the coop zone.

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Activation Bonus: At least 26 total CHARGE STATION points earned in AUTO and/or ENDGAME.

Since it mentions the charge station by name, I don’t think park points are included.

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“The final thirty (0:30) seconds of the TELEOP stage is the ENDGAME, during which ROBOTS attempt to PARK, DOCK on, and/or ENGAGE with their ALLIANCE’S CHARGE STATION or continue to score GAME PIECES.”
It sounds like it could be read either way. I’ll be interested to see in the forums when it’s decided because our team puzzled it for a few and couldn’t come to one conclusion either.

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6.4.2 CHARGE STATION Scoring

Makes no mention of Parking, only Docked/Engaged
You can also score game pieces during endgame, but that also does not count for the Charge Station

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I’m assuming park points are included because otherwise the numbers don’t make any sense, simple as that.

That way you can have 12 + 10 + 2 + 2 or 12 + 6x2 + 2 or 8 + 6x3

Also in previous games with a similar “easy” endgame bonus it’s counted towards the RP, see 2016 Stronghold which simply required all 3 robots drive on the ramp at the end, or 2019 Deep Space where 15 HAB points were required and level 1 was a simple ramp. 2020 even had parking points counting towards its RP bonus.

At the end of the day, there’s no reason for park points to even exist unless it’s for this bonus. I think the reason it’s confusing is because they meant to say "26 total points earned from (the charge station in AUTO) and/or (ENDGAME).

Someone asked Q&A: FIRST FRC Q&A System

See also discussion here: What will the best autonomous look like? - #31 by jaredhk

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“simply” and “required all 3 robots” are mutually exclusive in quals matches and a decent chunk of elims

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Stronghold required you to “weaken the tower” (score 8 boulders, or 10 at champs) prior to having all 3 robots park on the batter.

We lost several RPs over the course of the season to teams failing to park properly.

Okay I’m sorry I said it was simple lol that wasn’t the point at all.

My point was just to compare that “parking” has contributed to the RP in many previous games and I am positive that this is their intention with this game as well.

What text of the manual are you basing this positivity on?

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Looking at section 6.4,

C. assessment of CHARGE STATION scoring occurs 3 seconds after the ARENA timer displays 0 following TELEOP

Unless we are to assume that parking points are assessed at a different time than charge station points, we must interpret that parking points are charge station points.

Of course, this could also be an oversight in the language, and the Q&A will be needed to verify.

I have the same problem with understanding it, someone will need to Q&A it.

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Yeah it obviously needs to be clarified in Q&A and probably with a team update but the design just doesn’t make sense otherwise.

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Q&A answered it: FIRST FRC Q&A System

The ACTIVATION BONUS is earned based on the combined CHARGE STATION points from AUTO and ENDGAME.

No, PARKING does not contribute to the ACTIVATION BONUS.

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I am further irked now since my op irk is true :unamused:

So the ONLY difference between auto docked vs engaged is 2 points.


I suppose that does change up a few teams auto strategy. No need to spend resources on tuning pid loops or determining if it’s worth sacrificing a cycle to gain more balance time.
Just yeet your bot up there and turn 90°…

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4 points, but not mattering for the RP lowers it’s priority

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Of course the maximum possible Charge Station points is 42. Just sayin’

See y’all at The Restaurant at the End of the Universe.

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Might as well add no auto points in there, which a lot of matches will see

  • 6
    • 6 :woozy_face:
  • 6+6
    • 12 :slightly_frowning_face:
  • 6+6+6
    • 18 :cry:
  • 10
    • 10 :sob:
  • 10+10
    • 20 :face_exhaling:
  • 10+10+10
    • 30 :grinning:
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