Not really east coast… but don’t forget 70 and 494
06 - http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/24184
07 - http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/27952
08 - http://www.chiefdelphi.com/media/photos/30517
True, I agree with you on that. However, there were some teams that really looked like total copies. But whatever, as long as they were built as well as the original or executed a different way I suppose it doesn’t matter.
Oh Eric, btw, do you know if 121 worked with any other teams this year?
I think the large number of robots very similar to 121 was due to their robot video coming out in week 3(correct me if i’m wrong) which leaves a good deal of time for some teams to be inspired by the idea and incorporate some of the advantages into their own team’s design.
I’m not saying I think it is bad that teams were inspired by them, as a matter of fact, I think it is great. If 121 didn’t want to share their ideas they wouldn’t have put their video out until week 6.
It is very helpful to some teams with less experience when a they get to see other robots before the build season is done so the can get inspirired by the ideas and use some of them if they were stuck otherwise.
I don’t know. There are some members on the forum you could ask, though.
didn’t exploding bacon team up with another team at some point? (do they count as east coast?)
Yes, 1902 and 1369 collaborated in 2007, as mentioned earlier in this thread.
Also, some teams came to a roller-claw design before 121 posted their video too… :rolleyes:
A vertical roller claw is fairly obvious. Turning around to roll the ball over the overpass in order to keep your arm at a single stage isn’t so obvious, and I think that’s what sets apart the 121 design.
There have been several teams who designed a single jointed arm that was able to hurdle. My own two teams 1345 and 108 had a single jointed arm who were able to hurdle without turning around and I am sure there were many other teams who were able to do the same.
Also, there are several teams who was inspired by team 254/968’s previous robots. Team 1251 went west coast style this year and they were very successful.
Am I the only one who see’s this as compleatly against the spirit of FIRST.
Isn’t the point of the program to see different designs that do different things? For every team to let there KIDS engineer there own custom design.
Sure, making a similar design off of another team’s claw or arm device makes sence. But to make exact copys, seams completly against the principals of FIRST to me!
There are those who are opposed to collaboration, yes.
Isn’t the point of the program to see different designs that do different things? For every team to let there KIDS engineer there own custom design.
Aaaaaactually, the point of the program is to inspire high school students to consider careers in science, math, and engineering. FIRST has historically not really worried about how teams go about this.
Sure, making a similar design off of another team’s claw or arm device makes sence. But to make exact copys, seams completly against the principals of FIRST to me!
It didn’t quite hit me until Cal Games 2006 that 254 and 968 are several hours apart. (The South Carolinian in me said “Oh, they’re both in California, they can’t be that far away from each other…”) If any two teams can coordinate their robot design across 357 miles and produce Einstein-quality robots year after year, I’m willing to bet that they’re doing pretty well at the whole inspiring thing. (I’ll even better the odds, since half of that collaboration is in the Hall of Fame at least partially for their approach to collaboration.)
Besides, FIRST explicitly authorized collaboration at the start of the season.
Edit: And another thing–1369 received the Judges’ Award at Palmetto in 2007 for their collaboration and its effect on the team: having two weeks to practice and fine-tune. (I’ve been in FRC for five years now, four as a mentor, and no team I’ve ever worked with has had two days to practice.) That sounds like an endorsement from the judges to me.
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I talked with one of their team members, and it SOUNDED like they didn’t. But I don’t know because I never asked him that question. The way he was talking, I don’t think they did.
I know what you are saying but I asked kindly to please keep the thread about the robots…not the ideals of FIRST…we’ve had those threads before. Just please keep this thread about the topic. If you wish to talk about the pro’s and con’s of collaboration please seek a different existing thread (there are plenty that argue the topic of collaboration). Thanks:)
Emphasis mine:
Thank you…
It’s one in the same guy.
I am talking about robots and the reason that i don’t agree with that specific strategy.
If you want to discuss the merits of collaboration, please add your thoughts to one of the many threads that currently exist on the topic, and stick to just discussing the thread topics-known collaborations between east coast teams.
how bout just a coast collaboration?
mike d
Elaborate please…I don’t seem to understand what you mean.
EDIT: ooo, I think I get what you mean.
New question: If you guys could have any two or three teams work together on the East coast who would it be? Same for West. and then combination on East and West coasts (I think that’s what Mike means). Also, specify what you think each team could bring to the table and remember that not all 3 have to be one of the famed “elite” teams. Think outside the box =)
348 was very fortunate to have 25 as a collaborating partner this year on the east coast. We did not build mechanical twins (we did build a 25 inspired drive train), but rather shared ideas, expertise, technology, and strategies. This allowed each team to retain authorship of their machines, but we benefited and learned from each other from the exchange of information.
We cannot thank 25, the BMS guys, and Shaun McNulty enough for all their help, rapidly taking us up the learning curve, and assistance in making us a solid Championship alliance partner. 25 was an integral component of 348s success and the teams/MY education this year.
The West Coast, Niagra, Midwest, VA, FL collaborations are partnerships to be admired and learned from. I’m in awe of the success that those teams have had and how much their students have learned. There are a lot of less “high profile” collaborations going on as well. Through my travels around the country as an MC this year, I was lucky to hear many stories of collaborations on a multitude of levels whether it be pertaining to robot design, mentoring rookies, or supporting FLL and FTC programs. A component of FIRST is fostering relationships and building community. On this aspect, I walked away from the '08 season particularly inspired.
-wayne
25’s an awesome team to learn from. Their lift from 07 was just amazingly engineered and was overall a beautiful machine. I would love to learn from them some more. Perhaps at the next NJ regional I’ll have a chance.
Yup, two posts above :rolleyes: …
348
We helped one struggling rookie team with CAD files of our machine. They benefited greatly from them and we were given a Judges award for our efforts. I do not consider it collaboration.
If collaboration meant a machine that mimics a proven concept from a video in week 3, then we had the biggest collaboration in FIRST, ever. I realize that a bunch of our twins had the idea, but our pics and videos confirmed that the idea works.
Same thing happened with American robot in 2005 and 2007. 1305 said they heavily borrowed from our design. Great team that we won a qualification match with in Atlanta that year. In 2007, team 2079 had build season pics with team members watching American Robot. Their claw was a direct (and larger) copy of one of our prototypes.