Posted by Kailey at 1/14/2001 9:52 AM EST
Student on team #469, Las Guerrillas, from Lawrence Technical University and Mannesmann Rexroth/Nachi/Sverdrup.
The blueprints labeled the bar as 18 inches. Does anybody have any insight to offer as to whether this is 18 incehs at the top, middle, or bottom of the bar??
Posted by Kate T190 at 1/14/2001 11:32 AM EST
Engineer on team #190, Gompei, from Mass Academy of Math and Science and Worcester Polytechnic Institute.
In Reply to: Bar Height
Posted by Kailey on 1/14/2001 9:52 AM EST:
I’m -pretty- sure that it’s 18" to the top of the bar… I’ll be finding out for sure today… And if it’s any different I’ll post again… But if I don’t… Then it’s to the top of the bar… 
T190 XO
Kate
Posted by Justin Stiltner at 1/14/2001 7:05 PM EST
Student on team #388, Epsilon, from Grundy High School and NASA, American Electric Power, Town of Grundy.
In Reply to: Top I believe
Posted by Kate T190 on 1/14/2001 11:32 AM EST:
19 and 3/4" to the top of the center rail from the carpet.
Justin Stiltner
Team #388
Epsilon
Grundy Va,
Posted by Kate T190 at 1/16/2001 7:34 AM EST
Engineer on team #190, Gompei, from Mass Academy of Math and Science and Worcester Polytechnic Institute.
In Reply to: Top I believe
Posted by Kate T190 on 1/14/2001 11:32 AM EST:
So… Unless we build it wrong… We’re getting about 20" to the top of the bar…
Posted by Michael Martus at 1/14/2001 12:53 PM EST
Coach on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central H.S. and Delphi Automotives Systems.
In Reply to: Bar Height
Posted by Kailey on 1/14/2001 9:52 AM EST:
As per the print this dimension is to the top of the pipe. When building you must consider all the parts that are part of the construction, the 4x6, the fittings, the pipe dia. Then cut the pipe accordinally. The size on the BOM is close.
Posted by Joe Johnson at 1/14/2001 1:45 PM EST
Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.
In Reply to: Bar Height
Posted by Kailey on 1/14/2001 9:52 AM EST:
I am not seeing any label that says the bar is 18 inches.
Please tell me which print and in which “section” (I
use the term loosely as the views shown are not
sections at all).
I had to exstimate the height knowing the vertical bars
are 14.25" inches long (P16).
If this is true then it hardly seems possible that the
top of the bar is 18 because the 14.25" had to get the
3.5" of the “4X6” added to it plus the kee-klamp flange
plus the bar itself.
I guess the 18" is to the middle or perhaps the bottom
of the bar.
Let me know where I have screwed up if I am wrong.
Has anyone asked FIRST?
Joe J.
Posted by Rick Gibbs at 1/14/2001 10:59 PM EST
Engineer on team #145, T-Rx, from Norwich High School, Sherburne-Earlville High School and Procter & Gamble Pharmaceuticals.
In Reply to: Bar Height
Posted by Kailey on 1/14/2001 9:52 AM EST:
I think that it’s 18" to the top. First, Section 1.2.2 describes the bar as being 18" high. Second, you have a 4x4 (3 1/2"), a top plate (1/4"), and a vertical bar (14 1/4") that make up the 18". The fitting that is used there allows the vertical pipe to slide all the way through to become flush with the top of the fitting. I’ll have to verify this tomorrow.
Rick
Posted by Andy Baker at 1/14/2001 11:26 PM EST
Engineer on team #45, TechnoKats, from Kokomo High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.
In Reply to: Re: Bar Height - 18" to top
Posted by Rick Gibbs on 1/14/2001 10:59 PM EST:
We found a problem with the “fence” today:
Sure, P16 is the vertical pipe on the “center barrier” or what our team calls the “fence”. The BOM states that it is 14-1/4".
Now, look over at the perimeter of the field, where the vertical pipes are P8. P8 is stated to be 16" in the BOM.
Both of these vertical pipes sit on the same boards (B1 & B3, both 3.5" high), the same angled steel, and the same fittings (KK1-7).
With all of this in mind, P16 and P8 should be the same height… assuming two things:
Am I missing something here, of should P16 be 16" long?
Andy B.
Posted by Rick Gibbs at 1/14/2001 11:34 PM EST
Engineer on team #145, T-Rx, from Norwich High School, Sherburne-Earlville High School and Procter & Gamble Pharmaceuticals.
In Reply to: 14-1/4" for P16 may not be right… check this out.
Posted by Andy Baker on 1/14/2001 11:26 PM EST:
I had noticed that, too. So, I guess the height of the rail is all dependent upon where the error in the print is.
If it’s 16" instead of 14-1/4", there’s an extra couple inches of breathing room 
Posted by Joe Johnson at 1/15/2001 8:15 PM EST
Engineer on team #47, Chief Delphi, from Pontiac Central High School and Delphi Automotive Systems.
In Reply to: Where’s the error?
Posted by Rick Gibbs on 1/14/2001 11:34 PM EST:
What may be breathing room to you make the trip over
the top all that more exciting for those doing the high
hurdles!
A couple inches here or there makes the difference
between winning the race and being curled up on the
infield racked in pain (sorry for the pun, I could not
resist
At this point in the game this should not still be an
open item.
Joe J.
Posted by Justin Stiltner at 1/15/2001 12:05 AM EST
Student on team #388, Epsilon, from Grundy High School and NASA, American Electric Power, Town of Grundy.
In Reply to: Re: Bar Height - 18" to top
Posted by Rick Gibbs on 1/14/2001 10:59 PM EST:
: I think that it’s 18" to the top. First, Section 1.2.2 describes the bar as being 18" high. Second, you have a 4x4 (3 1/2"), a top plate (1/4"), and a vertical bar (14 1/4") that make up the 18". The fitting that is used there allows the vertical pipe to slide all the way through to become flush with the top of the fitting. I’ll have to verify this tomorrow.
: Rick
I got my info from Ron at FIRST…whered ya get yours??
>Hi Justin,
>The nominal distance from the carpet surface to the >top of the center rail
>will be 19-3/4"
>Thanks,
>Ron
>>At 12:55 PM 1/9/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>Mr. Rioux
>>I represent Team 388
>>My question is about the spacing of the middle >>barrer, We need to know the
>>distance from the carpet to the top of the rail >>refered to in the plans as
>>(P9)
>>
>>Thankyou,
>>
>>Justin Stiltner
>>Team #388
>>Epsilon
>>Grundy Va,
Ron Rioux
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Justin Stiltner
Team #388
Epsilon
Grundy Va,