Bumper Weight

New problem for our team. We are using 119.5” of frame perimeter. For the first time in six years, we want to go with a bumper all the way around the robot. We’ve built it with just the minimum - plywood, sheet metal corners, fabric, and noodles. The bumpers weigh 8.5 pounds each. From our understanding, 7.5 is max.

We are not adding weight anywhere for any reason. We’ve never even been close to the weight limit before. I would have thought the rules would allow for a bumper all the way around a robot using a legal frame perimeter.

Any thoughts to help us out?

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The BUMPER weight limit is 15 pounds, and the weight limit is per set if you have separate red and blue BUMPERS.

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Thank you for your answer. We use two bumpers, a red and blue. They each weigh 8.5 pounds this year, which will put us over the limit.

No, you’ve misunderstood what he said. If you have a red bumper and a blue bumper, they are each allowed to be up to 15 pounds.

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The limit is per set, which means they’re weighed independently. As long they’re each under 15 pounds, you’re fine.

Please reply that you understand that 15 lbs per set is the rule…That way we know we have helped you.

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To phrase differently, 15lbs per color/15lbs attached to the robot for a given match.

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Thank you all! I guess we misunderstood. So as I now understand it, a “set” of bumpers is whatever bumpers that are used during one match. That “set” cannot be more than 15 pounds.

So for us, we normally make one blue and one red bumper. So each one can weigh up to fifteen pounds.

Again - your quick response is truly appreciated.

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I like this wording, (Color implies reversible bumpers can be 30lbs).

The OP’s interpretation isn’t a BAD interpretation. Set could easily mean “the collection of the two bumpers” as it could “the collection of things building one bumper system to be used within any given match.”

Is it easy to tweak R407 to get rid of the parenthesis and say something more to the effect of:

Each set of BUMPERS must weigh no more than 15 lbs (~6 kg). A set of bumpers refers to the complete BUMPERS that will be used during any specific match and includes any fasteners and/or structures that attach them to the ROBOT.

Splitting it into the two sentences keeps the inclusion of the hardware while also specifically stating which way to interpret “set” so that it’s not potentially confusing. Wordsmiths likely can make it even cleaner than my suggestion =)

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I have seen recommendations that teams ask students or teachers in the English Department review their Chairman’s essays before submitting them. It would be good for FIRST HQ to do something similar. If someone in the U.S. where it appears that English is their native language is getting confused, then people for whom English is not their native language, in the U.S. or in other countries, are sure to get confused. As FIRST continues to expand outside the U.S., this will become more of a problem. I recall at a previous job hearing about some of the local service techs in South America who had to read our product manuals with a dictionary in hand, sometimes translating almost every word. We made a big effort to clean up our manuals to use simpler language and eliminate all “colloquial language” because of the difficulty translating it.

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I agree. FIRST HQ, are you listening? Do you have an English Department? :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

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I have literally had robot inspectors get this rule wrong at CVR one year. That one really bothered me.

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You really, really, really don’t want to mention “bumper inspections” and “CVR” in the same sentence anywhere near 1197. Not after 2018. Wasn’t this specific rule, though.

an explanation for the unenlightened?

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Short version: Inspector made us rebuild legal and good bumpers, resulting in us having questionably-legal and crappy bumpers for that event and the next one.

See also: Reasons the inspection thread blew up.

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