Car Nack Predicts
The scoring of keepers will be a relative rarity. In fact there will be at least one Regional where there will be a total of less than five keepers scored for the entire competition.
Car Nack has spoken
Agreed. I believe that scoring keepers is like scoring tetras in the center row in 2005, It gives you an advantage but not many teams were able to do it. The great car nack has a good prediction here.
I disagree with this one.
While an alliance scoring 3 keepers may be rare I think most matches will have 1 or 2 scored.
Scoring keepers will be more like scoring tetras on your home row in 2005.
I too disagree, now that the camera has become so common in the last few years, I expect that teams more teams will be able to use it effectively.
I predict that in at least one competition, there will be five or less robots that score the keepers not using dead reckoning.
I think the Great and Wise Car Nack has the gist of it, but I believe that the first robot to get a keeper on the rack will be the only robot to get a keeper on the rack for a given match. After that, there’s gonna be wiggleville.
Are you sure about this? The fabrication rules have been tightened up so that you cannot do any SW work at all after ship, except for the fix-it windows.
I concur.
I agree somewhere between the great Car Nack and what Billfred said (hehe, say that five times fast). I do think teams have been able to develop better code for the camera, but I think it’s going to be very similar to capping the center goal, like Greg suggested. Plus, in my opinion, there’s only a SMALL emphasis on scoring in autonomous, so I can’t imagine that many teams are going to “go for the gold” so to speak.
It’s not similar to the center goal in '05 at all. Now we have lighted targets, so we can actually see where we are going. I wouldn’t be surprised if several teams score keepers, just not at the same time.
I partly agree with car nack. I think there will be keepers scored in auto but not using the camera.
To add my own prediction, most of the keepers ever scored will be along the bottom row of the rack.
Why? It’s much harder to score them there than at the top.
I partly agree with this, and Carnack will be right for one regional (it might only be one, but it’ll still be true). Although teams have gotten the camera working last year, I don’t think using the camera to find the goal will be the hard part; I think making sure you’re at the right angle to put a keeper on one of the legs will be.
Bingo.
I also don’t think there will be alot of scoring with the rack swinging all match long unless there are particualrly skilled teams involved.
While I agree that scoring of keepers will be rare, I don’t think it will be as rare as scoring a vision tetra was in 2005. To me, the autonomous problem this year seems an order of magnitude simpler: you start out with the scoring item which means you only have to find and drive to the goal. That doesn’t mean it’s going to be easy, just a lot simpler than that year.
Matt
Car Nack can predict, but that doesn’t mean we won’t try. However by making such a statement, the strategic value of the Keepers are much greater than the points they earn.
How so?
With the lower racks you can pre-align the robot up positioned with the keeper to run into a bottom rack scorring spider leg and you will be golden.
The only thing you have to worry about is the “slight adjustment” after you set up your robot, but I don’t think that will make much of a difference.
What is your reasoning Cory? I’m guessing less leg shake up above, and the target to help you? Maybe, but it also constitutes actuating an arm or something to reach that high as well.
I know from past experience it takes quite a while to drop a tetra on a goal in autonomous mode. The only advantage this year is you start with the game piece in your possession.
I strongly disagree with Billfred. I predict that in very few matches will less than one keeper per team be scored. The spiders are nigh impossible to shake without a running start, and barring collisions any team with halfway competent programmers (a group among which I count myself) should be able to score underneath a light.
In short, IMHO Car Nack is dead wrong. But I’ve been wrong many times before.
The leg shake is very dramatic at the bottom, and any dead reckoning autonomous is surely to be interfered with if it’s not the first bot there and it’s aiming for the bottom.
In terms of coding difficulty, if the team is using closed loop control (or has done enough testing to know how long to run the motors to get their manipulator to the right height), it should be no more difficult to score on the higher spiders during autonomous (in fact easier due to the lesser shaking) than down low.
As for Car-Nack. It really depends on how good 383 and the rest of the Brazilian teams are this year, because that’s the only regional I could see less than 5 keepers scored. Not knocking the Brazilians in any way, it’s just a much smaller and younger event (even than Israel).
Oh great and knowledgeable Car Nack, you have spoken and your words are true.
Finding a hole in a wall (a fixed plane) set under one light is not the same as multiple lights above multiple moving objects on a moving assembly for potentially only 2 points. If there is any successes, it will be late in the season.